# Upskirting **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 7, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103 "2014-03-07T13:09:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/1 "2014-03-07T13:09:22Z")
I had a silly thought while reading about upskirting being legal since the women are properly clad. No its not about the law or morality of the situation, but just an idea that popped into my head. Would it be possible to create a pair of underwear that looks like a pair of hairy testicles and penis hanging down? Could you imagine the look on the face of the guy doing the upskirting? šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/2 "2014-03-07T14:10:53Z")
I think most ā€œupskirtersā€ (disclaimer: I am not aware if I know any sucj people personally) are familiar with the concept of transvestites and transitioning transwomen. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/3 "2014-03-07T14:13:25Z")
I had no idea this is a thing! I saw a guy doing it once while in line at Starbucks, but just filed it under ā€œguys are often creepy.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/4 "2014-03-07T14:32:09Z")
To twist a movie quote here, ā€œ_I donā€™t know whatā€™s creepier, upskirting, or that it happens so often thereā€™s actually a term for it._ā€ ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/5 "2014-03-07T14:39:34Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I had no idea this is a thing! I saw a guy doing it once while in line at Starbucks, but just filed it under ā€œguys are often creepy.ā€ How so? Did the guy have a camera on a stick or something? Or was he just using some mighty suspicious angles with his phone? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/6 "2014-03-07T14:56:14Z")
[These panties might scare him.](http://quackquackduckface.tumblr.com/image/78436960496) ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/7 "2014-03-07T15:02:34Z")
that tiny little womb houses a baby?! /scared ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/8 "2014-03-07T15:11:17Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > Would it be possible to create a pair of underwear that looks like a pair of hairy testicles and penis hanging down? You could, but you would have to wear a skirt with front pockets. Something about the external junk makes one want to jingle their change. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/9 "2014-03-07T15:13:23Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > that tiny little womb houses a baby?! /scared When you purchase the expansion module, yes indeed! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/10 "2014-03-07T15:30:39Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > Would it be possible to create a pair of underwear that looks like a pair of hairy testicles and penis hanging down? Which would instantly create a new fad of ā€œshock the upskirterā€ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_of\_The\_Moose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Shadow\_of\_The\_Moose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadow_of_The_Moose)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/11 "2014-03-07T15:40:24Z")
pretty sure i met a hooker in singapore that had that same kind of underwear. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/12 "2014-03-07T16:01:56Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > How so? Did the guy have a camera on a stick or something? Or was he just using some mighty suspicious angles with his phone? The skirt helped - the young lady was wearing a black blouse with a red-and-black tartan jacket with matching skirt, but the skirt wasā€¦ well, the skirt was a tutu. It flared out to the sides, there was taffeta or whatever underneath, and the whole concoction stopped about mid-thigh. It sounds weird, but she had the legs for it (like most sophisticates, Iā€™m a leg man ;)). ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/13 "2014-03-07T16:03:38Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > I had a silly thought while reading about upskirting being legal since the women are properly clad. > > No its not about the law or morality of the situation, but just an idea that popped into my head. I guess you are refering to the MA decision. The way the ā€œstatuteā€ was worded, I tend to side with the high court, since he had underwear on. There is Tort remedy though. [http://www.universalhub.com/files/robertson-brief.pdf](http://www.universalhub.com/files/robertson-brief.pdf) Our Voyeurism law covers even clothed. 2907.08 Voyeurism. A) No person, for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying the personā€™s self, shall commit trespass or otherwise surreptitiously invade the privacy of another, to spy or eavesdrop upon another. (B) No person, for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying the personā€™s self, shall commit trespass or otherwise surreptitiously invade the privacy of another to videotape, film, photograph, or otherwise record the other person in a state of nudity. (C) No person, for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying the personā€™s self, shall commit trespass or otherwise surreptitiously invade the privacy of another to videotape, film, photograph, otherwise record, or spy or eavesdrop upon the other person in a state of nudity if the other person is a minor. (D) No person shall secretly or surreptitiously videotape, film, photograph, or otherwise record another person under or through the clothing being worn by that other person for the purpose of viewing the body of, or the undergarments worn by, that other person. (E) (1) Whoever violates this section is guilty of voyeurism. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/14 "2014-03-07T16:07:02Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > I had a silly thought while reading about upskirting being legal since the women are properly clad. The ruling was that current laws in Massachusetts didnā€™t apply to the situation. Itā€™s been outlawed in other places, and [the Massachusetts legislature is moving to fix that PDQ, which would solve the problem.](http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/us/massachusetts-upskirt-ban/) ---
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/15 "2014-03-07T17:37:59Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > [These panties might scare him.](http://quackquackduckface.tumblr.com/image/78436960496) Those are even better! Thank you for the laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/16 "2014-03-07T17:55:02Z")
> [@lawbuff](#): > > (B) No person, for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying the personā€™s self, shall commit trespass or otherwise surreptitiously invade the privacy of another to videotape, film, photograph, or otherwise record the other person in a state of nudity. > > (C) No person, for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying the personā€™s self, shall commit trespass or otherwise surreptitiously invade the privacy of another to videotape, film, photograph, otherwise record, or spy or eavesdrop upon the other person in a state of nudity if the other person is a minor. Why this redundancy? Iā€™m familiar enough with the law to know that many statutes are written with endless repetition and redundancy to close any loopholes of interpretation, but how does (B) exclude minors? Could the overall law be interpreted that (E) allows us to peek at the undergarments of minors? ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/17 "2014-03-07T18:01:14Z")
I hear that anti-pervert [leggings](http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/fashion/hairy-stocking-rage-girls-china-article-1.1375987)are popular in China! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/18 "2014-03-07T18:09:21Z")
> [@Darryl\_Lict](#): > > I hear that anti-pervert [leggings](http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/fashion/hairy-stocking-rage-girls-china-article-1.1375987)are popular in China! sawsqatch! ---
**Author:** ![Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e47c2d/32.png) [@Hershele\_Ostropoler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hershele_Ostropoler)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/19 "2014-03-07T19:31:16Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Why this redundancy? Iā€™m familiar enough with the law to know that many statutes are written with endless repetition and redundancy to close any loopholes of interpretation, but how does (B) exclude minors? Could the overall law be interpreted that (E) allows us to peek at the undergarments of minors? It looks like the ā€œminorā€ one mentions spying and eavesdropping, which are ā€¦ perfectly legal when done to adults? It may be for camps or boarding schools, or gym locker rooms, or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![lawbuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lawbuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawbuff)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2014, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103/20 "2014-03-08T18:56:57Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Why this redundancy? Iā€™m familiar enough with the law to know that many statutes are written with endless repetition and redundancy to close any loopholes of interpretation, but how does (B) exclude minors? Could the overall law be interpreted that (E) allows us to peek at the undergarments of minors? B excludes minors because C covers it, as you see, the language is almost exact for b and C except the word MINOR. C also includes where not included in B ā€œor spy or eavesdropā€, as Hershele stated. C has the highest penalty because it includes minors and MORE elements, B has a different penalty. ā€¦A violation of division (C) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree. ā€¦ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upskirting/683103.md?page=2)