# Urbanredneck is a homophobic bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775 "2015-05-11T14:43:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/141 "2015-05-12T23:26:23Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I find it interesting that people think you can’t make a choice about something until you try it, and then, once you’ve tried it, if you say “I choose not to do that again,” they say “well, it wasn’t really a choice anyway…” I think it’s because it’s not the act of eating or not eating that makes you gay or straight–it’s the feelings/attraction. Think of it this way. If a man wants to experiment with other men but chooses to remain in the closet, he’s not choosing to become straight. He’s choosing to appear straight. Even if a guy experiments with the same sex, enjoys it, and decides he’s unwilling to deal with coming out and so makes the choice to marry a woman, we’d wouldn’t say he’s decided to become straight. He’s not attracted to women just because he chooses to have sex with one. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/142 "2015-05-12T23:36:28Z")
His wife reported the pressure cooker because a person NOT from the Middle East used one in the Boston Marathon bombings. It makes total sense. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/143 "2015-05-13T00:00:27Z")
Can you see the hubby and wife sitting in folding chairs at the sale, sweating bullets: Oh, oh golly me, I sure hope this dangerous pressure cooker isn’t purchased by anyone \*that doesn’t look like me… \*I’ll have to turn myself in as the seller of a dangerous weapon if someone, you know, browner than me buys it. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/144 "2015-05-13T00:58:06Z")
Isn’t all homophobia based on the inner belief that gay men will treat you, the way you treat women? And that a lesbian will treat your woman better than you! ( with apologies to whatever comedian I probably heard that from!) Whenever I read one of the pitee’s posts, I am always reminded of this line! ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/145 "2015-05-13T01:36:05Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Can you see the hubby and wife sitting in folding chairs at the sale, sweating bullets: Oh, oh golly me, I sure hope this dangerous pressure cooker isn’t purchased by anyone \*that doesn’t look like me.. > \*I’ll have to turn myself in as the seller of a dangerous weapon if someone, you know, browner than me buys it. What were they doing selling such a dangerous weapon in the first place! Cop should have charged em’ with aiding and abetting terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/146 "2015-05-13T01:42:21Z")
I believe “haggot” is the wrong term here. I think what we are looking for would be “hag hag”. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/147 "2015-05-13T04:12:19Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I’m kind of offended that something like cock is being compared to haggis, actually. Damn, what do you men _think_ of your members? It always surprises me to hear that people think they’re funny looking or other similar comments. I’ve always thought they were awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/148 "2015-05-13T04:14:06Z")
Mine certainly is. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/149 "2015-05-13T09:18:14Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > You guys realize that you’re just using slightly different meanings of “choose,” right? There isn’t actually a real disagreement going in here. That would be wby the people saying homosexuality isn’t a choice are trying to explain the concept to a guy who is offended by it, yes. I assume you also realize that the implication in Ethilrist’s posts (whether intentional or not) is that, since homosexuality is a choice, it’s okay to be against people for making that choice, right? And, to be technical, it’s not the definition of choice that’s a problem. It’s what’s being called a choice. He’s seeing homosexuality as “having sexual relations with someone of the same sex.” Homosexuality actually means “sexually attracted to the same sex.” The point is, you don’t choose who you wind up having crushes on. You only choose whether to pursue that crush. Or, you can’t choose whether you like haggis. You can only choose whether to eat it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/150 "2015-05-13T11:22:37Z")
I am never going to be able to talk about a Burns Night Dinner here again without people snickering, am I? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/151 "2015-05-13T12:21:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That would be wby the people saying homosexuality isn’t a choice are trying to explain the concept to a guy who is offended by it, yes. > > I assume you also realize that the implication in Ethilrist’s posts (whether intentional or not) is that, since homosexuality is a choice, it’s okay to be against people for making that choice, right? > > And, to be technical, it’s not the definition of choice that’s a problem. It’s what’s being called a choice. He’s seeing homosexuality as “having sexual relations with someone of the same sex.” Homosexuality actually means “sexually attracted to the same sex.” > > The point is, you don’t choose who you wind up having crushes on. You only choose whether to pursue that crush. Or, you can’t choose whether you like haggis. You can only choose whether to eat it. I’m saying that it’s a choice for some people, and not for others. If somebody who thinks it is never a choice wants to convince me of that, the first thing he’s going to have to do is convince me that I didn’t choose, and that hasn’t happened yet. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/152 "2015-05-13T12:27:08Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m saying that it’s a choice for some people, and not for others. If somebody who thinks it is never a choice wants to convince me of that, the first thing he’s going to have to do is convince me that I didn’t choose, and that hasn’t happened yet. Are you capable of making a choice to have sex with someone of the same gender _and both desire and enjoy it_? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/153 "2015-05-13T12:53:00Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m saying that it’s a choice for some people, and not for others. If somebody who thinks it is never a choice wants to convince me of that, the first thing he’s going to have to do is convince me that I didn’t choose, and that hasn’t happened yet. So when did you “choose” to be heterosexual? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/154 "2015-05-13T12:57:07Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > So when did you “choose” to be heterosexual? 7th grade. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/155 "2015-05-13T13:00:38Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > 7th grade. In 7th grade, or now, or at any point in between, were you capable of choosing to be physically intimate with someone of your gender _and both desiring and enjoying it_? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/156 "2015-05-13T13:13:06Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > 7th grade. So I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. In the 7th grade, you had the **option** of being attracted to girls or boys, and consciously **chose** to be attracted only to girls, and not to boys? Or vice versa I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/157 "2015-05-13T13:16:59Z")
This is a silly discussion anyway. Fine, I’ll grant you, maybe some people can actually choose. But on the same token, many can’t. So blaming people for “choosing” to be gay is counterproductive and causes gay bashing and violence. Besides, what would be the point? If I am 97% gay, and 3% straight, So I can choose, And I choose to live a straight life because I really truly do want it, fine. If I am forced to make this choice, if I am forced to live a straight life because otherwise I am ostracized and disregarded and beaten, not fine. When we say “it is not a choice” that is all we are saying. Why are we arguing so much about whether it is a choice for you or not? Please forgive me, but who cares? We worry about what people are being forced to do. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/158 "2015-05-13T13:29:28Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m saying that it’s a choice for some people, and not for others. Personally, I think the argument is all about what “it” is. If you’re talking about the lifestyle you live, you certainly chose. If you’re talking about what you desire, that’s not something you chose in 7th grade, it’s something you learned about yourself in 7th grade. Based on what you learned, you chose the lifestyle that best suited you. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/159 "2015-05-13T14:20:40Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I am never going to be able to talk about a Burns Night Dinner here again without people snickering, am I? Nope. But that’s just because you’re a giant nerd. 😃 -andros, giant nerd- ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775/160 "2015-05-13T14:27:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In 7th grade, or now, or at any point in between, were you capable of choosing to be physically intimate with someone of your gender _and both desiring and enjoying it_? In 7th grade? Sure, that’s when I chose not to. Since then? I don’t know. I haven’t been interested since then. Maybe I just haven’t met the right guy. Until the day I do, I’m okay with my choice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/urbanredneck-is-a-homophobic-bigot/719775.md?page=9)