# US Aid to Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [October 2, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624 "2022-10-02T22:36:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/1 "2022-10-02T22:36:19Z")
I don’t deny that, but the US has definitely taken the opportunity to take Russia down a peg. A few pegs, as it has happened. Russian forces have performed extremely poorly against US equipment and US intelligence capability. Remember, the US announced that this invasion was happening before it started. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/2 "2022-10-02T22:42:51Z")
> [@WellHelloThere](#): > > the US announced that this invasion was happening before it started. Cite, please? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/3 "2022-10-02T22:58:00Z")
For this war, all the blame lies with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/4 "2022-10-02T22:58:44Z")
Why should the US refuse Russian refugees? ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/5 "2022-10-02T23:04:52Z")
And hey man, I am kind of a Luddite. It is not a secret that US intelligence agencies were predicting this invasion. The Washington Post has an article. It is also not a secret that US military supplies were delivered. Ill try to figure out how to provide a link, since that is required in this forum, but really you could save time and read the article from them ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/6 "2022-10-02T23:33:51Z")
I don’t think we should turn them away. I just think you were wrong on the why. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/7 "2022-10-02T23:36:56Z")
Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/8 "2022-10-02T23:39:22Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Cite, please? I clearly remember Biden being very vocal that this is not some kind of drill, but a real thing … IIRC he even put an hour-count on it (assault within 48? hours) Google also knew before Ukr (traffic jam on google maps) ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/9 "2022-10-02T23:42:35Z")
It is not a kooky statement. US intelligence agencies were releasing info publicly like crazy, back in February ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/10 "2022-10-03T02:56:59Z")
> [@WellHelloThere](#): > > to take Russia down a peg. Putin is pegging down of his own accord. Yes, the United States publicly shared intelligence of a planned invasion, and has supported Ukraine in its defense. It is very likely that American support helped catalyze EU support as well. To the extent that if America and the EU had decided to not support Ukraine then this war would have been long over with Russian in control of a puppet regime there, looking for next expansion into other countries, it is true that the American government “has had a hand in creating this situation.” Strange phrasing though. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/11 "2022-10-03T03:00:29Z")
You agreed with everything that I said. What is strange about the phrasing? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/12 "2022-10-03T03:25:18Z")
Because supporting a country that is attacked with fictional excuses and thereby preventing their immediate destruction is not generally considered having a hand in creating the situation. It is very strange wording. It’s akin to seeing someone pushed into a river and throwing them a rope. When out of the water the victim reports the being pushed in to the police. There are troubles a result of the attacker being arrested; the attacker has family who rely on his income. Saying that the person who threw the rope had a hand in creating that situation would be odd. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/13 "2022-10-03T03:39:29Z")
The US is behaving like a powerful nation would. They took a chance to weaken a rival, and it really payed off. The US has watched many nations drown, to follow your analogy. Afghanistan is pretty recent. Iraq is not doing well lately. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/14 "2022-10-03T03:57:04Z")
> [@WellHelloThere](#): > > They took a chance to weaken a rival I do not believe that is an accurate assessment. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/15 "2022-10-03T03:58:55Z")
Do you believe that the US is acting as a benefactor towards Ukraine because it is the right thing to do? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/16 "2022-10-03T04:26:50Z")
Depends on what you mean by “right thing to do”. I believe the current administration believes that not supporting Ukraine from this aggression would create much more global instability and risk, including well beyond the EU theater and potential unavoidable direct NATO-Russian conflict, than supporting Ukraine does. Less global instability and risk is good for most of the world, including the United States, so of course responding to the aggression with support is of self- interest. And the right thing to do. A successful Russia that had been constrained by broad economic interconnectivity would have been preferred to a Russia with stupidly self-inflicted wounds which has taken itself down a few pegs. Russia floundering is not in anyone’s interest except China’s. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/17 "2022-10-03T04:30:32Z")
It sounds like we are in agreement. The US chose to counter Russia in order to encourage it to play by the rules. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/18 "2022-10-03T04:38:51Z")
The rules tend to be set by the US. I stand by my previous statement that this is a power move as far as the states involved are concerned. The people living in them will feel differently. Edit: My personal opinion is to end the war ASAP, I believe it is dangerously close to going nuclear. ---
**Author:** ![WellHelloThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@WellHelloThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WellHelloThere)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/19 "2022-10-03T04:46:29Z")
I should not have said that the rules are set by the US, that is not true. But, the US does have a tendency to make its own rules when it needs too. And nobody could possibly enforce any violation ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624/20 "2022-10-03T08:53:47Z")
> [@WellHelloThere](#): > > Why should the US refuse Russian refugees? I agree, the US should not refuse refugees. The problem is that our current immigration system is broken and we’re admitting very few people at all these days. There are definitely people in this country of immigrants and refugees who no longer want to let anyone else in, and some of them are sitting in Congress. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-aid-to-ukraine/972624.md?page=2)