# US Army Mutiny in Iraq - Soldiers refuse to drive death convoy **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 17, 2004, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656 "2004-10-17T11:01:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Kegg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Kegg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kegg)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656/161 "2004-10-25T12:10:45Z")
We had a saying when I served. “Nothing is imposable for the person who dosn’t have to do it!!!” * * * Spelling and grammer subject to change without notice. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2004, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656/162 "2004-10-26T20:15:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Last week, the military confirmed that the commander of the 343rd had been relieved of her duties. Although the army refused to name her, The Clarion-Ledger reported that it was Captain Nancy Daniels, the commander whom sergeants McCook and Butler had complained about. There have also been reports that the army will seek to have the leaders of the revolt released under a general discharge rather than bring courts-martial against them. according to ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656/163 "2004-10-26T20:22:51Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > according to The Village Voice: Features: The Platoon That Said No by Tom Robbins [http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0443/robbins.php](http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0443/robbins.php) goddamned popups… maybe one of those will work :smack: ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656/164 "2004-12-07T12:12:07Z")
All, Sorry for the bump, but it looks like a conclusion was reached by the military… [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41279-2004Dec6.html?referrer=email](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41279-2004Dec6.html?referrer=email) I think you need a subscription, but it’s free, and here’s the summary - > [@](#): > > BAGHDAD, Dec. 6 – Twenty-three Army reservists who refused a dangerous mission to transport fuel in Iraq will face punishments such as extra duties or reduction in rank but will not be court-martialed, the military said Monday. > > The reservists from the 343rd Quartermaster Company are being disciplined under Article 15, which means that no court proceedings will be held and the identities of the soldiers involved will not be released, Lt. Col. Steve Boylan said. And further: > [@](#): > > Brig. Gen. James E. Chambers, commander of the 13th Corps Support Command, which manages the provision of fuel, food and ammunition across Iraq, decided to deal with the reservists under Article 15 proceedings rather than by courts-martial after reviewing “evidence and recommendations,” Boylan said. > > Military investigators found that some of the complaints raised by the soldiers, including concerns over vehicle maintenance and protection, were credible and that actions were taken to address the issues. > > In October, one of the reservists, Spec. Major Coates said he and his fellow soldiers had not banded together to refuse to perform their duties, but had chosen individually to do so. If soldiers acted as a group in what the military considers a mutiny, they could receive a more severe punishment than if they acted individually. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656/165 "2004-12-07T18:46:30Z")
Then my charge of “cowardice” (not the official, military “Cowardice”) is retracted, with my apologies to those soldiers, and any others who have, are, or may face similar situations. ---
**Author:** ![GomiBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@GomiBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GomiBoy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656/166 "2004-12-08T11:29:59Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Then my charge of “cowardice” (not the official, military “Cowardice”) is retracted, with my apologies to those soldiers, and any others who have, are, or may face similar situations. Ditto for me I apologize for accusing these soldiers of cowardice. I would likely have tried something similar in their situation. I still think they did it wrong, but they are not cowards. Cheers, G [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-army-mutiny-in-iraq-soldiers-refuse-to-drive-death-convoy/269656.md?page=8)