# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/301 "2021-01-07T21:46:30Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > That said, it is essential that the people who rioted yesterday STOP BELIEVING the things they believe that led them to see their behavior as helpful of acceptable. > > Street fight people whoa oh oh oh OHHHHHHH! - For that, you should consider a long journey to Boston or Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/302 "2021-01-07T21:51:44Z")
Thanks, I needed that. The seemingly inexhaustible font of rage that I’ve been returning to for the last four years seems to have been… exhausted. Ever since this happened, I’m just moping around all weepy-eyed. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/303 "2021-01-07T22:06:14Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I posted this in the other thread: > > Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see anyone post that newly elected West Virginia state rep Derrick Evans filmed himself storming the Capitol with the rest of the thugs, and posted it to his Facebook, but later took it down after perhaps realizing that wasn’t the smartest move he made all day. > > Hopefully he gets locked up for a long time. > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/derrick-evans-west-virginia-capitol.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/derrick-evans-west-virginia-capitol.html) No, he was just rushing in because he was late for work… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/304 "2021-01-07T22:09:29Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > No, he was just rushing in because he was late for work… Annoying joke-ruining nitpick: of course as a state legislator he doesn’t actually work in the national Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/305 "2021-01-07T22:14:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Annoying joke-ruining nitpick: of course as a state legislator he doesn’t actually work in the national Capitol.- Contrary to ruining the joke, you just made it even funnier. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/306 "2021-01-07T22:20:36Z")
Yes, but does _he_ know that? ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/307 "2021-01-07T22:30:02Z")
I’m not sullying my browser history with those other sites but Fox has been better than I expected. Their mobile site was mostly anti rioters. Even Hannity. Carlson was still a dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/308 "2021-01-07T22:30:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s the only limit, except maybe scope, as in what exactly you were pardoned from must be specified–I think. I believe something saying “pardoned for any crime” without any qualifiers might be found as too broad. > > Though, as @Cervaise said, none of this has really been tested in court. So no pre-emptive pardons then. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/309 "2021-01-07T22:34:27Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > So no pre-emptive pardons then I wouldn’t be so quick to assume this. Pardoning the rioters (or as he’d call them “patriotic protestors”) for crimes committed on 1/6 in the Capitol is probably specific enough to fly. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/310 "2021-01-07T22:37:50Z")
If “stupid” was a defense, the whole mess of them would go scott free. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/311 "2021-01-07T22:49:28Z")
That’s what primaries are for. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/312 "2021-01-07T22:53:52Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > I wish trump could be impeached or 25thed so he wouldn’t be able to issue pardons for the crazies. Hell, I’M hoping he gets removed so he can’t give them Medals of Freedom… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/313 "2021-01-07T23:16:14Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Medals of Freedom He now equates those with keeping his ass in office. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/314 "2021-01-07T23:22:13Z")
That’s a good point. The insurrectionists didn’t stop the electoral count. They failed him. They’re losers not worthy of his pardon. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/315 "2021-01-07T23:47:04Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I should mention that I have occasionally disagreed with asahi — specifically when he calls Trumpublicans “insects” or “vermin” @asahi The other phrase you might consider rewording is “re-education camps.” Actually, the only problem I have is with “camps.” “Re-education,” to me, is a great way to describe what needs to happen. It’s a word that can mean several things in practice — but it could be anything that effectively undoes the disinformation, the enthrall to conspiracy theories, the anti-science, the cultish devotion to an authoritarian, the susceptibility to junk news, the feelings and fear, the lack of empathy or curiosity. (Sorry for the hijack — if asahi feels like replying to this, that’s great, and so this diversion will end). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/316 "2021-01-07T23:49:40Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Re-education,” to me, is a great way to describe what needs to happen. It’s a word that can mean several things in practice — but it could be anything that effectively undoes the disinformation, the enthrall to conspiracy theories, the anti-science, the cultish devotion to an authoritarian, the susceptibility to junk news, the feelings and fear, the lack of empathy or curiosity. - This falls into “You can’t reason a person out of a viewpoint they didn’t reason themselves into.” territory. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/317 "2021-01-07T23:51:50Z")
Perhaps so. Sad, then. Only death will cure most of them? Maybe. COVID could help speed that along, I suppose. A bunch tried suicide by cop yesterday, but the cops failed to oblige. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/318 "2021-01-07T23:59:39Z")
I heard one of the cops defending the Capitol died. His death is sad and tragic, as are all the deaths that happened during yesterday’s insurrection. Canada, like many other countries, watched these American events with horror. For almost 250 years, the American constitution has brightened the world. After WW2, other countries looked to the US and tried to emulate its democracy and success. The fruits of democracy and soft power include jaw-jaw instead of conflict, peaceful transition, exapanding rights. Yesterday was an attack on democracy, saying only the mob has the right to dictate terms or proscribe conditions. And those who encouraged them have blood on their hands. ---
**Author:** ![jayrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jayrey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayrey)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/319 "2021-01-08T00:29:28Z")
This is truth. These terrorists hate anyone and everyone who is not white, and by extension, they hate anyone who supports and demands justice and equality for everyone who is not white. This is not a secret. All their claims otherwise are a smokescreen. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/320 "2021-01-08T00:34:54Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > The woman who was shot was apparently shot by secret service. Link incoming–it’s not all that graphic, it focuses on the SS agent’s hands/gun as it fires and you see the woman fall out of the window to the ground. [Still NSFL](https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1347120276560105475?s=19). Link is to Twitter that has another layer of “are you sure you wanna watch this” so proceed at your own risk. Yeah, AND they require you to either log in to Twitter or set up an account with them. So kind of useless to some of us. Not that I really have a need to see someone get killed but not everyone lives on social media. > [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > For whatever it’s worth, the woman was apparently identified as Ashli Babbitt and is an Air Force veteran. She tweeted [“nothing will stop us”](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/nothing-will-stop-us-womans-last-tweet-before-being-shot-in-capitol-2348874) shorty before breaking into the Capitol. Guess she found out differently, huh? > [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > > [@Skywatcher](#): > > > > I heard on the news last night that it was by plainclothes Capitol Police. Has this changed? > > Not sure. I’ve seen it reported both ways and think we’re in the fog of war right now. > I’ve seen in threads people say it was a cop in a nice suit but no one provided cites. The Capitol Police are charged with protecting Congress. When someone like the President or Vice President are in the building/room there will also be Secret Service present. There is some overlap in their responsibilities, but in the Capitol it’s the Capitol Police’s jurisdiction. Most likely it was CP, but it’s possible it could have been SS from Pence’s detail. Most likely CP, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=17)