# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/421 "2021-01-08T18:20:49Z")
This is just his way for not taking responsibility for dropping the ball on the next insurrection attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/422 "2021-01-08T18:22:11Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > In this case, electrodes attached to his balls. (Tiny electrodes.) > > Ahhhhh. > > Then may the whole world graciously accept a few minutes of ‘brownout’ while the collective amperage of all seven continents is temporarily diverted to where it’s so desperately needed. > > BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT ! > > Gosh. I hope we didn’t just char Lindsey Graham in the process 😉 Ah; the joy of homeschooling! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mNPZDwOrca4/maxresdefault.jpg "The Joy of Homeschooling by Delco Detention (w/ Neil Fallon of Clutch)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNPZDwOrca4) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/423 "2021-01-08T18:24:23Z")
> [@susan](#): > > I doubt an Air Force security person would misunderstand the gravity of her action. I think what happened is that law enforcement basically backed off and let them overrun the physical space with little physical resistance at all, through some initial combination of collusion and incompetence; and then through simply being overrun and outnumbered. So until that point, the rioters had met with no physical resistance at all, and all the bravado and adrenaline were running high. But the security details tasked specifically with protecting the _people_ in the building had drawn a line at that door, and had people they were protecting behind it. Their rules of engagement are rather different, and she found that out the hard way. But you’re right, as much as anyone in that mob she had the experience to know that. If the reports of numerous verbal warnings at that door were correct, quite frankly she got exactly what she should have expected, and indeed what she deserved. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/424 "2021-01-08T18:31:21Z")
OMFG. That was exactly as funny as it was disturbing ! Well played, Sir. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/425 "2021-01-08T18:36:28Z")
I don’t see how a person, let alone a president, can pardon himself; a pardon typically involves two people. A president pardoning himself essentially grants himself blanket immunity, which seems like the kind of regal power that the Americans were trying to get away from. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/426 "2021-01-08T18:37:46Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If the reports of numerous verbal warnings at that door were correct, quite frankly she got exactly what she should have expected, and indeed what she deserved. - It’s clear in the video I saw. She got warned multiple times and even _ignored the pistol pointed at her._ ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/427 "2021-01-08T18:38:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > In the aftermath of Wednesday’s deadly mob attack on the Capitol, Rep. [Andy Kim](https://thehill.com/person/andy-kim) (D-N.J.) stayed in the building until early Thursday morning to help clean up the debris left by pro-Trump rioters. I’ve liked him ever since Rock Me Gently was a hit. https://www.youtube.com/embed/9ym3RlvVR9M?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PLGnnEXp-d1tXmH-YQhnLhK7E6TxmEam9E ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/428 "2021-01-08T18:38:31Z")
According to Raw Story, the woman who was trampled to death was carrying a [Don’t Tread On Me flag](https://www.rawstory.com/rosanne-boyland-capitol/). Talk about out-Onioning the _Onion_. Good ghod. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/429 "2021-01-08T18:43:44Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Talk about out-Onioning the _Onion_ . Good ghod - Yeah, the news is playing leapfrog with _The Onion._ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/430 "2021-01-08T18:47:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Donald Trump deliberately put lives in danger, including that of his own Vice President _and the Vice President’s family_ . - Hey Mikey, you reap what you sow. Guess which book that came from. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/431 "2021-01-08T18:56:19Z")
Just my 2 cents on the situation where the USAF veteran got shot. Multiple explicit warnings, guns pointed etc. = stupendous stupidity. But in addition, it seems clear to me that if the security hadn’t taken the climbing woman down when they did, in literally two seconds there would have been not one but five or so insurgents on the other side of the barricade, and a moment later as many as could fit there, barreling forward. Shooting was an absolutely necessary action, after stern warnings had zero effect. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/432 "2021-01-08T19:20:50Z")
The bizarre thing about commentary on this woman being shot is that the U.S. quite justifiably has a terrible reputation for _excessive_ police violence. But people are second guessing whether shooting this woman under _these_ circumstances was justified? When she and a riotous mob behind her that outnumbered law enforcement were one door and perhaps 50 feet away from members of the elected government who were hiding in fear of their lives? If a mob that outnumbered law enforcement had broken into the U.K. parliament, or done the same in Germany, even in socialist Scandinavia, I have aboslutely no doubt that they would _all_ have been taken down with lethal force, and probably well before they got anywhere near that close. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/433 "2021-01-08T19:21:16Z")
> **[Man pictured with foot on desk in Pelosi's office is arrested](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-foot-desk-pelosi-s-office-capitol-arrested-n1253490)** > > Images apparently showing Richard Barnett of Arkansas in the speaker's office became emblematic of the mayhem that tore across the U.S. Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/434 "2021-01-08T19:22:46Z")
Yeah, but she was white. In ‘Merikuh,’ white life = non-white life X 1000 ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/435 "2021-01-08T19:33:52Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I also think that that was the first time that _anyone_ in that mob realized how serious things were. That was the first sign of any resistance. I saw quite a bit of pepper spray being deployed, some at the barricades, more at the doors. Most of the problem seems to have been the CP on duty were badly out-numbered. Most attempted to do their duty, and I don’t blame any of the ones who decided discretion was the better part of valor. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/436 "2021-01-08T20:18:24Z")
So there’s reasonable cause to believe one of the CP was killed/murdered by a blow from a fire extinguisher. My very limited understanding of law (though I’ve seen this apply to POCs peripherally involved in a murder - driver) is that all participating or _planning_ can be charged as an accomplice. I also believe (again limited knowledge) that all these crimes committed in the building are Federal crimes. I think we are talking manslaughter at the least in the case of the CP death. Am I correct? Too broad a brush? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/437 "2021-01-08T20:47:03Z")
The fbi went into the capital around 6ish. I’m reckoning that they would take custody of anything that was collected. They cleared out the chambers and cleaned them before they resumed around 8. They will have photos and video of the various crime scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/438 "2021-01-08T21:38:23Z")
FBI is expected to investigate the officer’s death by fire extinguisher as a homicide. > **[Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick who died after pro-Trump riot was...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/08/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-who-died-veteran-war-critic/6595549002/)** > > Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, a veteran and New Jersey native, died Thursday from injuries he suffered during the attack on the Capitol. > **[Homicide investigation opened into death of police officer killed in US...](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-09/homicide-investigation-launched-brian-sicknick-us-capitol-riots/13044410)** > > Brian Sicknick, an Iraq War veteran, died in hospital after "physically engaging" with pro-Trump rioters who stormed the US Capitol building to disrupt the certification of Democrat Joe Biden's presidential election win. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/439 "2021-01-08T21:48:10Z")
Dude, put some gloves on. That’s trump supporter garbage you’re handling. But bravo, too. Now go wash your hands. Then again. Hotter water. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/440 "2021-01-08T22:06:19Z")
Interesting bit from that article: “Also charged Friday in connection with the rioting at the Capitol was a state lawmaker from West Virginia, Republican [Del. Derrick Evans, who had recorded](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-lawmaker-records-himself-storming-capitol-thousands-call-his-n1253362) and then deleted a video of himself joining the throng. A petition has been started for him to step down.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=23)