# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/461 "2021-01-09T00:42:14Z")
Better info: the guy who tased himself had a heart attack, another man apparently had a stroke, a woman carrying a “Don’t Tread On Me” flag was trampled in the riot, and the police officer who was in critical condition after being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher has died. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/462 "2021-01-09T00:43:06Z")
I just heard about this: > **[Alabama man arrested for illegal guns, Molotov cocktail materials at Trump...](https://abc3340.com/news/local/alabama-men-arrested-for-illegal-guns-molotov-cocktail-materials-at-trump-protests-in-dc)** > > An Alabama man was arrested during Wednesday's protests in support of President Donald Trump on Capitol Hill. SEE ALSO: Alabama protester in DC describes chaos outside as rioters breached Capitol building. SEE ALSO: FBI looking for rioters, video... > **[Several More Arrested After Capitol Riot, Including Man With 11 Molotov...](https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/several-arrested-after-capitol-riot-including-man-accused-of-having-11-molotov-cocktails-in-truck/2535100/)** > > Authorities have made a series of arrests following Wednesday’s chaos at the Capitol. The U.S. Department of Justice announced several cases Friday with some deeply disturbing allegations. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/463 "2021-01-09T00:51:48Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Fascist Antifa? He puts the moron in oxymoron. Stolen. You can find it in the responses to his tweet, if you need it back. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/464 "2021-01-09T01:13:26Z")
I’m sorry you had to be associated with that/them in _any_ way. I hope you took a long, hot shower later. The stink is fierce in that cohort. [A _bad_ burger ? At a mostly Greek restaurant ? Oh, the humanity. I hope they, at least, have kick-ass French Fries] ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/465 "2021-01-09T01:17:32Z")
NewsNation on WGN America is reporting members of the Coup Clutz Clan have been on social media, promising more riots. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/466 "2021-01-09T01:22:12Z")
If one lives in a state capital, one should be wary. As it happens, I live in a state capital. I expect 1/20 to be bad. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/467 "2021-01-09T02:09:23Z")
Apparently 1/17 is the day to be wary: [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/twitter-permanently-suspends-trumps-account.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/twitter-permanently-suspends-trumps-account.html) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/468 "2021-01-09T02:12:56Z")
FWIW those of the police who have enabled out of sympathies for the cause are likely both not as sympathetic now that one theirs is dead as a result, and very aware that they will be held to account for keeping things under control. Anything that is tried will be met with, if anything, _excessive_ force. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/469 "2021-01-09T02:34:16Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > [Man pictured with foot on desk in Pelosi's office is arrested](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-foot-desk-pelosi-s-office-capitol-arrested-n1253490) Here’s a better picture to remember him by. [https://237995-729345-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/4232963f.jpg](https://237995-729345-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/4232963f.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/470 "2021-01-09T02:39:32Z")
Another take on the question by [Marist](http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_202101081001.pdf#page=3). Page 8 on. Of Republicans 80% oppose what was done but split 47 to 47 whether it was lawful. Oddly though 82% think those who broke in should be prosecuted? 69% do not hold Trump as responsible for it and 82% would be against his removal. Mind you only 28% were willing to identify as Republican now. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/471 "2021-01-09T03:15:26Z")
He never actually attended the BLM rally. I believe a disagreement over masks was the stated excuse. But you’re pretty much right about everything else. He is sincere, although dumber than dirt. His take is that since he had a friend shot and killed by federal law enforcement, they should have common cause. The rest of his “movement” disagreed. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/472 "2021-01-09T03:21:43Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > FBI is expected to investigate the officer’s death by fire extinguisher as a homicide. I just learned today that Brian Sicknick is from my home town in New Jersey. I don’t know him or his family, but this makes it feel close to home. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/473 "2021-01-09T03:22:39Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > If one lives in a state capital, one should be wary. As it happens, I live in a state capital. I expect 1/20 to be bad. I live down the street from a state Capitol, in a state capital in a really red state. I’m turning out my porch light on the 20th. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/474 "2021-01-09T03:23:25Z")
1/17 seems to be a day, too, for some reason. Keep your head down. You stay safe. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/475 "2021-01-09T03:29:10Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > I live down the street from a state Capitol, in a state capital in a really red state. I’m turning out my porch light on the 20th. Same here. I’m also painting my lintel with the blood of tyrants, just to play it safe. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/476 "2021-01-09T03:30:10Z")
Of course it would have to be the 17th. You can’t overthrow the government on a work day ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/477 "2021-01-09T03:32:02Z")
CNN just played a video of an officer being crushed in a door by the mob(other officers behind him). Why were none of these rioters shot under such conditions? That video of the officer being chased up the stairs by a mob. Why didn’t he start shooting? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/478 "2021-01-09T03:32:46Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Of course it would have to be the 17th. You can’t overthrow the government on a work day Aren’t they supposed to be all at church that day? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/479 "2021-01-09T03:43:41Z")
Interesting poll. On the good side it seems that the proportion of Republicans who supported the attackers has dropped significantly from what it was a day or two ago. Presumably there has been enough negative press about it that the Republicans are beginning to see the writing on the wall that oppenly supporting sedition might be a bit of a faux pas. On the mores disturbing side, all parties seem to agree that the issues that divide our nation are a serious threat to Democracy (85% of Democrats, 86% of Republicans, 77% Independents.) But while 85% of Democrats think our democracy is likely to survive, only 63% of Republicans and 69% of Independents do. Which means as far as they are concerned there is nothing left to lose. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/480 "2021-01-09T03:55:13Z")
I’ll just say it: Osama Bin Laden defeated the United States of America…first while hiding in a cave, and then from beyond the grave. He defeated us, by making us defeat ourselves, by forcing us to fundamentally appeal to the worst of what we are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=25)