# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/521 "2021-01-09T22:10:26Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > A woman who showed up carrying a Gadsden/“Don’t Tread on Me” flag was trampled to death in the crowd. Has this been vetted by a reliable fact checker? Fate is rarely that on-point. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/522 "2021-01-09T22:18:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Riemann](#): > > > > If the reports of numerous verbal warnings at that door were correct, quite frankly she got exactly what she should have expected, and indeed what she deserved. - > > It’s clear in the video I saw. She got warned multiple times and even _ignored the pistol pointed at her._ I think she viewed herself as some sort of action hero with plot armor. That’s the problem, these people have been fed lies and fantasy for so long they no longer understand the difference between fiction and reality. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/523 "2021-01-09T22:27:59Z")
Wasn’t she a veteran who was actually deployed in a combat zone several times? You’d think she would know how guns and bullets really work. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/524 "2021-01-09T22:29:39Z")
Thanks–I posted an update, but there are so many fast-moving threads on this site I can’t even remember where I posted it. I can barely keep up with these threads. Gadsen flag woman was pictured carrying the flag marching to the capitol: > **[Woman trampled in Capitol riots had 'Don't tread on me' flag](https://www.9news.com.au/world/rosanne-boyland-trampled-dont-tread-on-me-gadsden-flag-donald-trump-us-capitol-riot/5d5c7251-e17c-4961-88a8-a906f38d7b54)** > > A woman trampled to death during the riots at the US Capitol had been carrying a flag reading: "Don't tread... ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/525 "2021-01-09T22:39:44Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > Charlie Manson stayed home the night of the Tate murders but was still convicted. Hitler is to Goodwin as Manson is to ??? I propose we call it ‘Gato’s Law’. 😁 > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Wasn’t she a veteran who was actually deployed in a combat zone several times? You’d think she would know how guns and bullets really work. Wasn’t she Air Force? They be in The Rear with the Gear. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/526 "2021-01-09T22:44:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That video of the officer being chased up the stairs by a mob. Why didn’t he start shooting? When you’ve got a hundred people chasing you up a flight of stairs and you’ve got six shots in your revolver, starting the killing isn’t always a smart idea. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/527 "2021-01-09T22:46:11Z")
Maybe my favorite meme in that series was how – instead of calling suspects “perps --” they called them Goobers: [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qlM2yqln7nSQYBo8Gr3NUe2EwgEvthF_La8h_a80E-fqkm4PgPjIHjAnHJxXmcbc2KyU0ENrOCpNILbea8IJ5Ubiiw3YI_nTiJO6rYENjEXDAM4tva4_KQdrpWdnEI1neM3n0unNCQ=w600-h315-p-k "New item by neil0502") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/mtGjcMzZBbTSczLe9) “I’ll see you wearing **stripes,** Goober !!” ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/528 "2021-01-09T22:46:54Z")
Thus is, of course, ridiculous. Much more effective to pick the cases that may be winnable and place responsibility on the most relevant instigators; not somewhat gullible people with minor roles who ultimately did not do very much. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/529 "2021-01-09T22:47:37Z")
Reminds me of an old Denis Leary joke: > Gotta love Lou Gehrig. Jesus Christ, poor Lou Gehrig. Died of Lou Gehrig’s disease. How the hell do you not see that coming? You know. We used to tell him, Lou, there’s a disease with your name all over it, pal! Gallows humor. I hope VPOTUS can chuckle at it, right now. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/530 "2021-01-09T22:48:50Z")
That’s some dark humor right there. Reminds me of the shot in “Red Dawn” where a Russian soldier is picking up a pistol from a dead guy whose bumper sticker reads “You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand”. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/531 "2021-01-09T22:51:05Z")
Don’t forget the guy who died from a medical emergency after tasering his own balls by accident. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/532 "2021-01-09T22:54:16Z")
I’d give … well … somebody a hundred bucks if I found out his last name was Saxinge. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/533 "2021-01-09T23:09:56Z")
A comedy interlude to lighten a heavy thread. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5lkkjdUXyQc/hqdefault.jpg "Brian Regan - Peanut Butter & Jelly") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lkkjdUXyQc) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/534 "2021-01-09T23:12:58Z")
Jack McCoy would’ve figured out how to do an end run around the DOJ, arrest Trump, convict Trump and send him to prison. If only this were a TV show. They should’ve made an exception to the DOJ policy for indicting a sitting President over this, he should’ve been in jail before sundown Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/535 "2021-01-09T23:24:17Z")
They broke through a barrier; it wasn’t like they were just protesting, a fight broke out, and things then suddenly got out of hand amid the pandemonium. It was clear from the beginning that law enforcement restricted their access into the building; they pushed down a fence, they pushed law enforcement out of the way, and entered as an out-of-control mob anyway. I don’t know if they are all guilty of “murder” per se, but anyone who pushed past the barrier and actively participated in the invasion of the capitol should seriously be considered for federal rioting charges and other types of felony charges. Their behavior was violent, even just being there was, in a sense, a manifestation of violent intent. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/536 "2021-01-09T23:27:12Z")
I hope they go after these folks internet history after they arrest them to look for what websites/videos/texts they’ve accessed so that cries of “I had no idea this was gonna happen; i was just there to peacefully demonstrate” are of no use. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/537 "2021-01-09T23:40:36Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Jerry Orbach died while the show was on. He was the perfect cop for his era. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/538 "2021-01-10T00:26:01Z")
I’m sure they will. And I hope they’ll use those photos and videos to make more arrests and give us a better idea of what happened. If not now, at least in two weeks. It dawned on me that this story is going to evolve because of the way information is being revealed. There weren’t any reporters on site at all. We are going to get access to a LOT more information about what happened on the inside. Did I miss something, but have we heard from _anyone_ in the FBI or DOJ yet? Have they given a press conference or released any substantial information other than “we’re looking into it”? I guess if they say it was bad or cooperate with the media in any way they’ll piss off the baby and he won’t leave, so we don’t get to have a government for the next 11 days. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/539 "2021-01-10T00:54:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …should seriously be considered for federal rioting charges and other types of felony charges. I never said, and neither did the constitutional scholar that I referenced, that there should be no charges at all. I firmly believe that people should be charged for the things that they actually did. The person or persons who killed the police officer should be charged with murder; the people who came in as part of the crowd, but didn’t actually attack anyone, should be charged commensurate with their crimes. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/540 "2021-01-10T01:09:28Z")
[Here’s an account from NBC Congressional Reporter Haley Talbot.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/inside-house-chamber-capitol-was-overrun-angry-mob-n1253640) I’ll quote a fairly long excerpt: > I kept thinking that even though we were all sheltering under our chairs, we weren’t under any real threat. > And then the glass shattered. > A pane in the glass of the intricate doors to the Speaker’s Lobby were smashed through by rioters as they tried to make it onto the House floor and attack the very center of democracy in America. > I caught glimpses of the standoff below as officers barricaded the door and drew their guns to defend the dozens of people inside. > I started to hear the quiet whispering of prayer. A congresswoman I often see but didn’t recognize was holding the hands of other members as she crouched down and was praying over the group. > I started to think about what I would use defend our group if the mob were to smash through the third-floor glass and enter the gallery. The congresswoman next to me had a cane. That’s what I’d use. I thought about how I’d position myself to block as many people as possible. > As I was filming with my phone in one hand and texting furiously with the other, I noticed a representative next to me had fallen uncomfortably. I reached down to pull her closer. The members around me were almost all women and some of the bravest people I’ve seen. No one panicked, we held hands, we told each other it was going to be OK. > We were told the hallway was almost clear and we would be evacuating as soon as we could. “Where are we going, where are they taking us?” a member asked me repeatedly. ETA - sorry, thought @Anne\_Hedonia was asking about reporter coverage during the event, thus the reply to her. Still an interesting read. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=28)