# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/541 "2021-01-10T01:27:19Z")
Thank you, it’s good to get new accounts of the story. What I was referring to, is unlike most of the protests this summer and most large public events, there weren’t any network reporters covering the STOP THE STEAL insurrection. me ranting at a Republican on TV :::: enough already, quit making excuses, this “not technically illegal” crap is what got us to where we are now. Nobody’s claiming he said “Break down the doors of the Capitol and lynch Mike Pence”. He invited 250,000 people to STOP THE STEAL and told them to go to the location of “the steal” and stop it. By the way, read that last sentence again, consider that we knew everything in it at least three weeks ago and tell me the government isn’t complicit. This isn’t just the President refusing to leave, it’s the entire outgoing administration (except for the ones that jumped ship.) No government agency has given a press conference, answered any questions or made any substantive statement, which is starting to smack of complicity. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/542 "2021-01-10T02:09:49Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’ll just say it: Osama Bin Laden defeated the United States of America…first while hiding in a cave, and then from beyond the grave. _Would you smite them from a cave?_ _Would you fight from beyond the grave?_ _I do not like \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\__ _I do not like them, Uncle Sam-I-Am!_ (help me fill the blank… my rhyme was busted) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/543 "2021-01-10T02:11:53Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > (help me fill the blank… my rhyme was busted) Who’s supposed to be speaking in that line, the ObL character who doesn’t like Americans? Or is it an American who doesn’t like the Islamist terrorists? Kinda necessary information to get the tone right. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/544 "2021-01-10T02:13:01Z")
[4h](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/521) > [@Broomstick](#): > > A woman who showed up carrying a Gadsden/“Don’t Tread on Me” flag was trampled to death in the crowd. Has this been vetted by a reliable fact checker? Fate is rarely that on-point. There are photos floating around of the woman holding the flag earlier in the day, but no one seems clear about whether she was holding it when trampled. > **[Woman trampled in Capitol riots had 'Don't tread on me' flag](https://www.9news.com.au/world/rosanne-boyland-trampled-dont-tread-on-me-gadsden-flag-donald-trump-us-capitol-riot/5d5c7251-e17c-4961-88a8-a906f38d7b54)** > > A woman trampled to death during the riots at the US Capitol had been carrying a flag reading: "Don't tread... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/545 "2021-01-10T02:14:41Z")
Breaking into the Capitol with the intent of holding mock trials and hanging the VP and members of Congress-What do you think would be commensurate with those crimes? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/546 "2021-01-10T02:17:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Breaking into the Capitol with the intent of holding mock trials and hanging the VP and members of Congress-What do you think would be commensurate with those crimes? - How long will it take to stamp out several thousand Presidential Medals of Freedom for Trump to hand out? Or he’ll do a Pardoning Of The Masses. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/547 "2021-01-10T02:35:33Z")
“Afghanistan”? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/548 "2021-01-10T02:40:48Z")
^ You nailed that in one. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/549 "2021-01-10T02:50:51Z")
As I said a couple of days ago, Trump now associates such medals with keeping his ass in office. Coup Clutz Clan failed so no medals for them. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/550 "2021-01-10T02:57:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Who’s supposed to be speaking in that line, the ObL character who doesn’t like Americans? Or is it an American who doesn’t like the Islamist terrorists? Kinda necessary information to get the tone right. I guess the ObL guy. Spose I didn’t fully map out my satire. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/551 "2021-01-10T03:02:08Z")
Well one thing’s for sure: Trump has blown his chances at getting nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize now. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/552 "2021-01-10T03:05:52Z")
He’ll just tell everyone he won it anyway. And 75 million Americans will believe him. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/553 "2021-01-10T04:12:47Z")
Ha! OK… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/554 "2021-01-10T04:35:21Z")
Oh. The real guy’s video/pic was quite moving. Although I did wonder about Law & Order/ CSI stuff. I really hope enough DNA was shed in the poop tracked around. (My hair looks better after being whooshed… no wind outside for once, no snow since our latest snowarmeddon and the temps are cold but acceptable… I’ve been outside feeding the birds and trying to lure in a Tortoiseshell who we saw over the summer with kittens. I’m hoping my Calico would accept a female cat. She’s only loved the neutered males she grew up with (RIP Link and Gannon) over the years. Intact and then neutered males… nope. Acceptance or not if that Tortie comes inside… she’ll be speutered. I kinda want a second cat. NJoy is not a lap kitty. Except now and then. Wild kitty might not be either but I know how that goes so maybe they’ll take turns or something. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/555 "2021-01-10T06:20:07Z")
meh, sounds like Tortie’s a total Chad Wolf freak - wouldn’t bother. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/556 "2021-01-10T13:49:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Breaking into the Capitol with the intent of holding mock trials and hanging the VP and members of Congress-What do you think would be commensurate with those crimes? What I think is that you look at each case individually, and actually establish what the intent was. If you can establish that this was, in fact, the intention of some of the people who entered the building, I imagine that there are charges that would reflect those circumstances. But you need, also, to establish that the intent was sincere and not hyperbolic on the part of each person concerned. Saying someone “should be hung” for being a traitor or an anti-Trumper or whatever is not the same as an actual intent to kill that person. I’m not sure how many people ended up inside the building. It was at least hundreds, and may have been thousands, but I’ll bet that a significant portion of them were just idiots following the crowd. You can see from the video clips and pictures that some of them are surprised as all hell to actually be inside the building, and are treating it more like a caper than an attack. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t serious, and all of these people should be charged based on their actions. But it also doesn’t mean that they should all be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, or with seditious insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/557 "2021-01-10T14:07:16Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > But it also doesn’t mean that they should all be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, or with seditious insurrection Seditious insurrection, YES. Since the actions themselves are so horrendous— people dying, the Capitol vandalized — many of us are (understandably) losing sight of the stated PURPOSE behind this insurrection. It was to PREVENT THE RESULTS OF AN ELECTION. It was SPECIFICALLY to end American democracy. Lest we forget, Trump’s calls to the Georgia election officials the day before were already being discussed (correctly) as grounds for immediate impeachment, removal, and even criminal conviction thereafter. This was a coordinated effort by his self-appointed minions to carry out this same goal. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/558 "2021-01-10T14:08:27Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > What I think is that you look at each case individually, and actually establish what the intent was. Thanks to social media, this task is a cakewalk compared to what it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/559 "2021-01-10T14:25:25Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > but I’ll bet that a significant portion of them were just idiots following the crowd This is how you get hangings. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/560 "2021-01-10T14:57:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > But it also doesn’t mean that they should all be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, or with seditious insurrection. Maybe those charges wouldn’t stick. But if they had succeeded in dragging Mike Pence out and hanging him from those gallows, you can bet that all those people who were “just idiots following the crowd” would have been cheering and laughing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=29)