# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/621 "2021-01-10T22:16:16Z")
I could tell! ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/622 "2021-01-10T22:22:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > if so many people are misunderstanding you, you might ask yourself why. Their blood is up and they don’t want to hear any push back. Which I get. I tried not to get upset way back when people were calling for “bombing the Middle East” after 9/11. But as far as I’m concerned mhendo has been making nothing but perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/623 "2021-01-10T22:31:58Z")
Apparently a number of the identified have been placed on no-fly lists, and now they can’t get home. > ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/624 "2021-01-10T22:34:04Z")
Oh, good. Maybe they’ll still be sitting around the airport when Lindsey Graham gets back. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/625 "2021-01-10T22:35:51Z")
> **[Man in 'Camp Auschwitz' sweatshirt during Capitol riot identified | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/man-camp-auschwitz-sweatshirt-capitol-riot-identified/index.html)** > > A rioter who stormed the US Capitol Wednesday wearing a sweatshirt emblazoned with the phrase "Camp Auschwitz" has been identified as Robert Keith Packer of Virginia, according to three sources who spoke with CNN. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/626 "2021-01-10T22:38:26Z")
You’ll be pleased to know that the “Zip Tie Guys” have been arrested. > **[The F.B.I. arrests two men who had carried plastic restraints into the...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-zip-ties-arrest.html)** ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/627 "2021-01-10T22:50:00Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Oh, good. Maybe they’ll still be sitting around the airport when Lindsey Graham gets back.  Lol!! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/628 "2021-01-10T22:55:58Z")
Imma put this here, live footage of the “assault”, [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfiS8MsfSF4) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/629 "2021-01-10T23:09:21Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Apparently a number of the identified have been placed on no-fly lists, and now they can’t get home. Good. In the future, these MAGAfilth can take a bus to their White Supremacy conventions. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/630 "2021-01-10T23:13:05Z")
He asks that nobody calls him a nazi. It makes him feel bad, and he can’t understand where people get that. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/631 "2021-01-10T23:16:34Z")
I am pleased to know they’ve been arrested. I’m a little afraid to read the article, because if I find out that the were charged with bullshit like trespassing or staying up later than their bedtimes I’ll be pissed. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/632 "2021-01-10T23:19:12Z")
Whatever any of these seditionist terrorists are charged with now… More charges can be added later. And I hope they are squeezing them for co-conspirators, and also going over their social media histories with a fine-toothed comb. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/633 "2021-01-10T23:21:35Z")
Well I hope so, too, but as an American I have reason to doubt that’s what’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/634 "2021-01-10T23:21:37Z")
A friend of mine from a long time back posted on his facebook page that he was now moving his copy of George Orwell’s **1984** from “fiction” to “nonfiction”. He has become a Trumper, and he apparently sees the putdown of the insurrectionists as a sign of the rise of an all-powerful evil government. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/635 "2021-01-10T23:27:13Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Apparently a number of the identified have been placed on no-fly lists, and now they can’t get home. Doesn’t count until they put certain Congresscritters on the list as well. **Then** I’ll smile. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/636 "2021-01-10T23:35:12Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > > [@RickJay](#): > > > > Therefore, anyone else who broke into the Capitol is an accessory to murder. Every single one of them should be so charged. > > I disagreed with that argument, and I still disagree with it, despite the fact that it is clear to me, after years of personal interactions, that **RickJay** and I agree on a lot of things when it comes to politics. If you’re a member of a gang of bank robbers and another gang member kills someone, you can be charged with murder yourself. This was a gang of domestic terrorists engaged in violent sedition (potentially with the intent to commit murder in the first place). What’s the difference? Is it the number of participants? Is it some level of involvement of coordination of the attack? I get that there’s a grey area between “small gang” and “large crowd” but let’s be clear: every member the whole damn crowd was deliberately committing a crime with the intent to, at the very least, disrupt proceedings and block certification (or affirmation or whatever it was), and many allegedly expressed violent intent. That one of them actually successfully committed murder was not an accident of circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/637 "2021-01-10T23:39:13Z")
Any of the folks who damaged property can be charged under President Trump’s new most excellent executive order that mandates 10 years in prison. They will hopefully all be enjoying just WHO the person was who signed the order when they are sitting out years 8, 9 and 10 of their sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/638 "2021-01-10T23:40:45Z")
I’m pleased too and was also afraid to see what the charges were. Looks like both zip tie yahoos are charged with the same thing, “one count of unlawfully entering a restricted building and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.” I hope they really will add more charges to those who warrant it, such as these two guys seem to. It would be really disheartening for people who intended to use those zip ties to restrain elected officials end up with unsupervised probation and for the public to be told to “move on.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/639 "2021-01-10T23:42:39Z")
Again, I hope you’re right. But dammit, you know, American justice system. I heard it said on the Sunday talkies today, I can’t attribute it, that nevermind this America is a couple of hundred year old democracy. It was 1965 (64? That’s Bruce Hornsby’s rhyme…) when the law was passed making it OK for Black Americans to vote. We’re a 55 year old democracy, which is far less impressive, and the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/640 "2021-01-10T23:44:50Z")
…no they shouldn’t be charging everyone who broke into the Capitol as an accessory to murder. Joshua Williams is **still** in jail for starting a fire in a trash can in Ferguson. Sentenced to 8 years. The last thing America needs is **more** prosecutorial over-reach, especially in ways that would be used to punish marginalized people in future protests. You don’t need more laws. (Not to forget felony murder laws are obscene.) You **do** need to hold the people that took part in the siege and those that incited it accountable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=33)