# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/721 "2021-01-11T10:56:46Z")
I don’t have an account there either, but the video plays for me. It’s a video showing unmistakable sickening violence at the entrance of the Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/722 "2021-01-11T12:04:19Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Any chance at seeing a few court martials here? Nope. Plural is courts martial, as “martial” is a postpositive adjective. /pedanticoutburst ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/723 "2021-01-11T12:12:44Z")
Ask any one of a thousand Attorneys General, and they will tell you the same. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/724 "2021-01-11T12:37:47Z")
We don’t need to stop and ask, we’re just passers-by. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/725 "2021-01-11T12:52:33Z")
> **[Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Plural](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/plural)** > > Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Plural ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/726 "2021-01-11T12:56:56Z")
This discussion will be quite useful in preventing many future faux pas. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/727 "2021-01-11T13:12:04Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think the fact that they even had the rally, at that time and place, should be an impeachable event, even if the riot hadn’t happened. > > There’s free speech and there’s brute intimidation. Have we drifted so far from the norm that encouraging 50 thousand people to yell at people that are just doing their jobs is acceptable? At the risk of once again drawing the ire of some people, I’m going to completely disagree with this too. Why the hell do you think that so many of this country’s largest protests have been in the Washington, D.C. area? It’s precisely so that Americans can “yell at people that are just doing their jobs.” And the reason for that is that the jobs those people are doing concern all of us. The government is, as the constitution says, supposed to represent “we the people,” and to reflect our union. Under your formulation here, the 1963 March on Washington, at which Martin Luther King gave his “I have a dream” speech, would have been outlawed. So would the Vietnam War-era March on the Pentagon. So would Louis Farrakhan’s Million Man March in the 1990s. So would the pro-choice rally I attended in D.C. in (if I remember correctly) 2005. And probably the Women’s March of 2017. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/728 "2021-01-11T13:20:45Z")
One of the various harebrained ideas being thrown at the wall to see what stuck was to deny certification to multiple states until you ended up with majority Trump in those that were left. That was not going to happen once Pence and Mitch said “sorry, Don, but NO” but the Trumpublicans were going to make the show anyway. And people, please — we all KNOW that the mob could not prevent the term from ending and someone other than Trump lawfully taking over. People are merely describing what the rioters were imagining could happen in their delusions. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/729 "2021-01-11T13:28:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > At the risk of once again drawing the ire of some people, I’m going to completely disagree with this too. > > Why the hell do you think that so many of this country’s largest protests have been in the Washington, D.C. area? FWIW you are not alone. Yelling loudly in large groups about the ways you feel the government is failing, at representatives of government, where they will hear you, is fine, whether we agree with sentiments or think they are ugly or deluded ones. It’s been done for causes I agree with lots. Those who do more than that, who use violence, etc., should be held responsible for what they do. Others who are yelling are not responsible for that. Think about how guidelines some here would create would have justified the case against the Chicago Seven for example. The mindset seems similar to me. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/730 "2021-01-11T13:31:53Z")
Even Fox News host Jeanine Pirro has had enough of the bullshit: > [@](#): > > “I want to be clear. The actions at the United States Capitol three days ago were deplorable, reprehensible, outright criminal,” Pirro stated. “These frightening and repulsive actions represent the most significant breach on our Capitol in over 200 years. And I don’t care with happened in the past and or whether those who did it think the election was stolen. That is not justification. Seventy-five million of us are still angry about the election, but we don’t storm the Capitol.” > > … > > “And stop looking for other people to blame, including those dirt-bag terrorists antifa. To those of you who did this, you did it, of your own will, and you will be held accountable. Take the veil of politics off,” Pirro continued. “Be totally objective, anyone watching this must condemn it.” > **[Jeanine Pirro Slams 'Outright Criminal,' 'Bunch of Freaks' Responsible for...](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jeanine-pirro-slams-outright-criminal-bunch-of-freaks-responsible-for-capitol-riots-stop-trying-to-blame-antifa/)** > > Fox News host Jeanine Pirro scolded pro-Trump vigilantes who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday and urged her viewers to stop blaming antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/731 "2021-01-11T13:37:23Z")
I never thought that Judge Jeanine was a RINO - the world constantly surprises me. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/732 "2021-01-11T13:42:01Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I never thought that Judge Jeanine was a RINO - the world constantly surprises me. - Wait until she gets blowback. She’ll get back in line. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/733 "2021-01-11T14:17:58Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Attorneys General Notaries Public!! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/734 "2021-01-11T14:21:36Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Are they aware that DNA can be used to identify who it came from? DNA is a Chinese hoax perpetrated by Jeff Bezos ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/735 "2021-01-11T14:25:58Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > This discussion will be quite useful in preventing many future faux pas. When we’re fighting fascists on the streets next week, the SDMB militia will hold the line: “This shall not stand! The plural is _coups d’état_!” ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/736 "2021-01-11T14:26:31Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Are they aware that DNA can be used to identify who it came from? You could only use it after you get a suspect. There’s no NPIC\* to look a random sample up in. … \*National Poop Information Center ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/737 "2021-01-11T14:30:41Z")
nm… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/738 "2021-01-11T14:31:45Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > > > Are they aware that DNA can be used to identify who it came from? > > You could only use it after you get a suspect. **There’s no NPIC** \* to look a random sample up in. > > … > > \*National Poop Information Center - Of course there isn’t. Crappy pay and the cafeteria food stinks. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/739 "2021-01-11T14:42:56Z")
There is an common exception to free speech laws that every schoolchild knows. “You can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theatre unless the place is really on fire. That can’t be interpreted too narrowly, it applies to words other than “fire” in places other than a crowded theatre. It means you aren’t allowed to say things to a crowd of people that scare and alarm them, with a likelihood that it will cause a panic. I think that given the totality of the circumstances, the Stop The Steal rally and the March To Save America were way too incendiary to be allowed to happen at the time and place that they did. But I sort of made a different argument for my point instead of addressing yours, didn’t I? It comes down to what I meant by “doing their jobs”. It wasn’t a good choice of phrasing. I wasn’t referring to executive level functioning…lawmakers drafting legislation, businessmen selecting vendors, CEO’s acquiring companies. That stuff is fair game for protest. I was referring to “just doing their jobs”, in the “just doing my job, man” sense of the phrase , the laborer that carries things from point A to point B, the nurse that goes from room to room administering treatments based on what’s written in the chart, the administrator that puts a stamp on paperwork that meets certain technical requirements. You might think a medication is dangerous and causes more harm than good. There are avenues to address that. You can protest outside the FDA will they review the application and make the _decision_. You can boycott and protest against the pharmaceutical companies that _decide_ to manufacture and distribute the drug. But once all that fails, don’t follow the nurse around the hospital and yell at her every time she dispenses the drug. That’s harassment and intimidation even if you don’t snatch it from her hands. The Trump events were surrounded by disinformation to make the event seem like a legitimate protest, but it really was nothing but intimidation. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/740 "2021-01-11T14:43:57Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > You could only use it after you get a suspect. There’s no NPIC\* to look a random sample up in. > > \*National Poop Information Center You can often amplify nuclear DNA from stool samples, there tend to be epithelial cells present. I don’t know if it’s considered reliable evidence for use at trial, but it could certainly identify someone if they are in CODIS. > **[STR-typing of human DNA from human fecal matter using the QIAGEN QIAamp stool...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16078481/)** > > The purpose of this study was to compare the effectiveness of the QIAGEN QIAamp Stool Mini Kit against a standard phenolchloroform procedure for the extraction, quantitation, and STR-typing of human nuclear DNA from human feces. Stools from six... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=38)