# US Capitol under siege **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830 "2021-01-06T20:27:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/962 "2022-01-04T15:51:02Z")
More has come out about the late Ashli Babbitt, shot by Capitol Police Officer Michael Byrd, and martyred by DJT and his minions. Sounds like she was – in the vernacular – a ‘hot mess:’ > **[Ashli Babbitt a martyr? Her past tells a more complex story](https://news.yahoo.com/ashli-babbitt-martyr-her-past-051341308.html)** > > The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight. When she learned of the relationship, Norris called... ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/963 "2022-01-04T20:16:51Z")
Ultimately her past doesn’t really matter. She was at the front of a violent mob bent on harming or killing elected officials, and broke through a barrier against the direct orders of a law enforcement officer who was pointing a gun at her in order to protect his charges. There is clear audio and video of her and the mob’s actions up to and including the shooting. If she’s a “martyr”, it is only to her own bad decisions. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/964 "2022-01-04T20:30:06Z")
I guess that one point would be that the people who have canonized this woman: - Think that _she_ is Mother Teresa, and - Think that Barack and Michelle Obama were horrible _people_ It speaks volumes about the values of the MAGA followers and 1/6 acolytes. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/965 "2022-01-04T23:33:35Z")
The latest angle in the investigation: > **[House Jan. 6 committee requests information from Fox News host Sean Hannity](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/04/house-jan-6-committee-requests-information-fox-news-host-sean-hannity/)** > > The committee has information that indicates Hannity had "advance knowledge regarding President Trump’s and his legal team’s planning for January 6th,” its chair and vice chair wrote. > …In a letter to Hannity Tuesday, the heads of the committee wrote that they were in possession of material that suggested Hannity “had advance knowledge regarding President Trump’s and his legal team’s planning for January 6th.”… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/966 "2022-01-04T23:47:52Z")
It really does appear that the investigators are running this like an organized crime syndicate investigation. Squeeze the small players (proud boys etc). Keep others free and surveil them. Gather evidence. Go after mid level players and squeeze them with the collected evidence. Let their lawyers know that good behavior will result in leniency. Go after the upper level players with the new evidence. We’re at that stage now. Hannity is going to sing like a little bird. Oh, he’ll posture for the cameras, and blather about how he has “executive privilege” or some such nonsense. But when under the bright lights faced with actual evidence and actual punishment… He’ll collapse. It will be interesting to see what he does when Trump and the little Trumpsters throw him under the bus. “Ow, ow, stop eating my face!” ETA “We are in possession of material…” Love this. Hannity probably had to spend an hour on the toilet after reading this. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/967 "2022-01-05T01:03:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Hannity probably had to spend an hour on the toilet after reading this. Nice thought, but I doubt it. He’s too mobbed up. Until they start chucking “Sedition” charges around and show they’ve flipped someone big who can take them all down they will just run out the clock. Of course, Sean may be the one to flip. I wonder what they have on him in other areas…? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/968 "2022-01-05T01:07:48Z")
Noted elsewhere – that Donald blabbing to a paid employee of a news organization may have shot executive privilege claims to hell. And lolz at Hannity dropping some Article 25 shit among his texts to Meadows. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/969 "2022-01-05T05:22:18Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The latest angle in the investigation: A thought just stuck to me: (But no serious damage done.) The Jan. 6 Committee is uncovering shit at such a pace now, they should create a web page, like that Webb Telescope real-time tracker page, that shows a continually updating status of the investigation. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/970 "2022-01-05T09:49:40Z")
I definitely think they should start televising the investigation. I can remember how my father changed his support for Nixon, while watching the news at night back in the day. It broke his heart, but he came to see that Nixon had fooled him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/971 "2022-01-05T15:44:53Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Ow, ow, stop eating my face!” Trump is like Ziggy Stardust. ♫ _Like a leopard messiah…_ ♫ Yes, I know it’s ‘leper’, but there are people out there that my read this who don’t understand jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/972 "2022-01-05T15:47:57Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > leopard messiah Coming soon, to Netflix. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/973 "2022-01-05T16:20:34Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I definitely think they should start televising the investigation. I can remember how my father changed his support for Nixon, while watching the news at night back in the day. I came home from work every day and watched the Watergate hearings on TV. Listening to John Dean’s testimony was mesmerizing. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/974 "2022-01-05T16:21:30Z")
They’re already planning to televise their proceedings. Look for this to start in the next several weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/975 "2022-01-05T16:39:25Z")
I wonder if the daily show and the like will show play by play comparisons between this investigation and the Benghazi one. In some sense they are basically the same thing. Quesntions raised regarding lack of response to a mob attack on a important government building. The main difference being that one was in a far off land with the nearest assistance three and a half hours away, while in the other case it was smack dab in the middle of the nation’s capital. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/976 "2022-01-05T18:17:02Z")
And in only one of the two were the attackers American citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/977 "2022-01-05T18:20:54Z")
And in only one was there a threat to the orderly transition of power to the next leader of our government. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/978 "2022-01-05T20:25:30Z")
And one was on our soil. Makes it easier to drop motorcycles or something, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/979 "2022-01-06T08:55:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I came home from work every day and watched the Watergate hearings on TV. Listening to John Dean’s testimony was mesmerizing.   Watching [Senator Sam and his dancing eyebrows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0sdUS6ysxA) was also mesmerizing. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/980 "2022-01-06T12:55:40Z")
> [@Hatchie](#): > > I need a new Billy to fill the void. And you can help! Vote for your favorite nominee below (click to enlarge). One with the most votes gets a new Straight Dope Message Board thread, all to his or her self. So who won the thread? ---
**Author:** ![tricoteuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tricoteuse/32/4334_2.png) [@tricoteuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tricoteuse)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830/981 "2022-01-06T14:00:57Z")
The cat keeps challenging the results, so we’re waiting on Cyber Ninjas to recount the ballots so it can’t sue and get the SDMB shut down. They should be done in a couple of weeks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-capitol-under-siege/929830.md?page=50)