# US death toll in Iraq reaches 4,000

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [March 24, 2008, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493 "2008-03-24T02:27:39Z")\
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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/1 "2008-03-24T02:27:39Z")

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The odometer clicked over again [U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 4,000](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23771735/).

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**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/2 "2008-03-24T02:30:41Z")

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More than 30,000 injured.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/3 "2008-03-24T02:36:06Z")

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And that’s just Americans, and just casualties. The \*human \* cost has been far larger, and continues to grow.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/4 "2008-03-24T04:12:13Z")

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[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves]  
And that’s just Americans, and just casualties. The \*human \* cost has been far larger, and continues to grow.  
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[Indeed.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties)

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/5 "2008-03-24T04:14:33Z")

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Happy Easter.

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**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/6 "2008-03-24T04:50:44Z")

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“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

– Thomas Jefferson

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**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/7 "2008-03-24T08:17:43Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
The odometer clicked over again [U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 4,000](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23771735/).  
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We’ve turned the corner. However, the next 1,000 deaths will be crucial.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/8 "2008-03-24T13:31:22Z")

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Now that’s positive thinking!

☹

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/9 "2008-03-24T14:18:09Z")

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[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy]  
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

– Thomas Jefferson  
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Thank you for this reminder that Thomas Jefferson was a theist.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/10 "2008-03-24T14:25:26Z")

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[QUOTE=magellan01]  
Thank you for this reminder that Thomas Jefferson was a theist.  
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Oh, we all know that! What’s the most famous TJ quote apart from the text of the Declaration of Independence? What’s carved on the wall of the Jefferson Memorial: “I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man; that is why the clergy hate me.” (Well, actually, the last clause was left off the inscription, in the interest of brevity.)

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/11 "2008-03-24T14:27:25Z")

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[Jefferson Bible](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible)

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/12 "2008-03-24T14:41:52Z")

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[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]  
Oh, we all know that! What’s the most famous TJ quote apart from the text of the Declaration of Independence? What’s carved on the wall of the Jefferson Memorial: “I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man; that is why the clergy hate me.” (Well, actually, the last clause was left off the inscription, in the interest of brevity.)  
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Well, actually, you’re wrong. That is not his quote. You might want to check his letter to Benjamin Rush. And you seem to attempt to argue against Jefferson being a religionist of some sort. I simply said he was a theist. You know, a non-atheist. In fact, you might even consider him a religionist, one belonging to an extremely small sect: 😉

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> On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles, “I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.”

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**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/13 "2008-03-24T14:45:33Z")

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Ok so how long until Iraq is stable enough to begin bringing our guys and gals home?

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**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/14 "2008-03-24T14:47:47Z")

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[QUOTE=magellan01]  
Thank you for this reminder that Thomas Jefferson was a theist.  
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Non-sequitor of the year.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/15 "2008-03-24T15:00:45Z")

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[QUOTE=Phlosphr]  
Ok so how long until Iraq is stable enough to begin bringing our guys and gals home?  
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**I Love Me, Vol. I** says the next thousand will be crucial. We Americans seem to like round numbers. Five thousand dead Americans would be a milestone people might notice. After that… 10,000? (\<=== Me being cynical.)

I voted for Obama. I hope that he or Clinton is the next President and that we will not reach five thousand, let alone ten. I’ve been opposed to Bush’s War since before it started, and I hope the next President will get us out ASAP. McCain seems to want to ‘stay the course’.

ETA: My friend has been recalled and must report to Ft. Hood on 1 April.

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**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/16 "2008-03-24T15:14:17Z")

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[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]  
**I Love Me, Vol. I** says the next thousand will be crucial. We Americans seem to like round numbers. Five thousand dead Americans would be a milestone people might notice. After that… 10,000? (\<=== Me being cynical.)

I voted for Obama. I hope that he or Clinton is the next President and that we will not reach five thousand, let alone ten. I’ve been opposed to Bush’s War since before it started, and I hope the next President will get us out ASAP. McCain seems to want to ‘stay the course’.

ETA: My friend has been recalled and must report to Ft. Hood on 1 April.  
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I’ve a freind in the same shoes. He’s on his 3rd tour. Yes, 3rd.

I think Obama will get us out strategically, 16 months I think is the current logical best case scenerio.

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/17 "2008-03-24T15:15:37Z")

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[QUOTE=Larry Borgia]  
Non-sequitor of the year.  
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Yeah, you’re right. And it turned into more of a diversion than I intended. I’ll leave the issue alone. This thread should be focused on the 4,000. Let’s hope the number never reaches 5,000.

My apologies for the diversion.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/18 "2008-03-24T15:23:28Z")

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[QUOTE=Phlosphr]  
I think Obama will get us out strategically, 16 months I think is the current logical best case scenerio.  
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16 months from now, or from Inauguration Day?

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**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/19 "2008-03-24T15:24:21Z")

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[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]  
16 months from now, or from Inauguration Day?  
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This isn’t his presidency right now. 16 months from when he’s running the show.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-death-toll-in-iraq-reaches-4-000/442493/20 "2008-03-24T15:39:08Z")

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[QUOTE=Phlosphr]  
This isn’t his presidency right now. 16 months from when he’s running the show.  
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Well, maybe in the short term he can at least put an end to all this “stop-loss” crap.

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