Mine, as a taxpayer.
Armed anti-drone drones.
Wow
You just made my point.
What do you get for your $25 dog registration?
Why does there need to be a data base and processing center?
Why do people need to pay money to be “reminded and have skin in the game?”
Do you see?
They will keep imposing and taking as long as we willingly give
What if the drone flyer is a tax payer? Do they not have a say?
I am just trying to figure out the mind set here.
There are lots of things in this world I find repulsive and in my way but I would never ask government to regulate someone’s joy, hobby or whatever it is in life they are into. If it violates me directly then I maintain the right to protect myself and my interest.
I doubt that water dumps would come to a halt over a drone but if a drone did shut down an operation why wouldn’t the rangers close the airspace down to non-essential aircraft until the operation is over?
The Japanese invented and use these huge drones with giant nets that they are using to scoop peoples drones out of the air when they are flying in a restricted area. Thing is awesome!
Turns out it’s only $18 dollars. It’s part of the Animal Control department. Here’s the county website, spelling out what the fee is used for:
In summation:
- Provides legal proof of ownership of my dog
- Provides authorization to use a dog park (legal covering, in case your dog attacks someone there)
- Helps pay for food and other costs at the local animal shelter (a bargain).
- Helps reunite lost dogs with their families if they get picked up by Animal Control.
In short, the dog license helps defray the costs of maintaining animals in the city. As a responsible dog owner, I’m quite willing to chip in.
Because how else are the Bureaucracy Fairies supposed to know where to find things.
Because as a society, this is how we’ve decided to handle crowded airspace: by creating one department to oversee air traffic and giving the department the right to regulate and track the people and aircraft who participate in air traffic. Regulating air traffic is only possible if the aircraft are properly identified.
Hence, the need to register for an ID number and the need to get buy in from people who participate in air traffic. It’s important that drone operators understand the safety requirements involved in flying their aircraft in crowded situations. This new system will give drone owners proof of ownership, legal authorization to fly their craft, and make them think about safety situations, for example, during firefighting exercises.
Government is not a problem. Government is the way that society takles problems that are too big for one person to handle - as, for example, tracking air traffic across the nation. One of our country’s greatest strengths is our democratic government. It requires the participation of all our citizens, including a willingness to look out for each other and work together.
The Government is not taking something from us. It’s establishing a common framework so that air traffic can all move around safely. We’re lucky to have a strong federal government that can coordinate air traffic across our huge & underpopulated nation.
Exactly. As a pilot, it really bothers me that any schmuck can buy one of these at the mall and with zero training, fly it in the same airspace where I am flying… I received lots of training and underwent testing with the FAA to be able to operate in the National Airspace System. So should drone operators have to have training.
If you crash your drone into my plane, you lose a drone. I could lose my life and the lives of my passengers.
Any unmanned flying machine between 0.55 pounds and 55 pounds. Technically, the FAA is calling them UAS, “Unmanned Aircraft System” rather than “drones”.
Yes to both if either weighs more than 0.55 pounds. The explicitly said tethered UAS are included.
Well, if you don’t fly either outside you don’t have to register - the FAA also said it doesn’t regulate indoor flying. And if you just have it sit on your dining room table or hang it from the ceiling and never fly it you probably could skip registering it, just as if you had an old car parked in your garage you never drove you could probably skip all the registering, emissions tests, licensing, etc.
You have kites that weigh more than half a pound? That’s a pretty big kite.
“Drones” is an unspecific term. Hence, “UAS” with accompanying very broad definition.
^ Recommended reading for those interested.
Is it that inconceivable that I wasn’t always poor? I was doing quite well indeed until I was laid off in 2007. The real poverty didn’t kick in until about 2 years later when my resources were exhausted - it took longer than I anticipated to get a new, permanent job that paid a living wage. Silly me, I thought having a year’s salary in the bank was sufficient to weather a recession, though I managed to make it stretch a bit more than a year. Doing much better now, although I drive a forklift now as part of my job rather than fly airplanes as a hobby.
The props aren’t fun, either - saw a guy get a lot of the flesh peeled off his thumb while hand-propping a small RC airplane. Some RC aircraft props are quite dangerous.
Really, this has been a long time coming. Tiny drones aren’t a problem - we own a couple that are so small and light that they don’t cause damage when they hit something. But there is a point where the things start becoming hazardous, and the heavier/more powerful they are the more potential for mayhem.
The government is forcing registration and regulations because sufficient number of people have been irresponsible asshats that the rest of the population demanded it.
US Federal Government’s airspace. The Feds are pretty clear that they’re in charge of the air above our heads for transportation purposes.
Sure - just like all the other taxpayers that outnumber them.
My joy and hobby used to be flying airplanes - funny, I seem to remember a LOT of regulation involved there, regulations you probably would be in favor of because it minimized the chances of some Cessna driver falling on top of your house. People whose joy and hobby are cars have to deal with a lot of regulation, too. Some joys and hobbies require regulation because some people are idiots, some of them require a set of skills, and some of them pose hazards to bystanders if not properly done.
Now, if you want to argue how much regulation is required for a given activity I’ll happily join the debate, but some things should have some oversight.
- Yes, actually, aerial fire-fighting HAS come to a halt over a drone. More than once in fact.
- The problem is that if you close the airspace some stupid asshat might simply ignore the closure.
- In fact, responsible pilots and UAS operators already know that they’re supposed to keep a designated distance from all emergency operations without needing to be told.
That’s one thing that will happen with registration - when you sign up the FAA says it will send you a list of all the rules pertaining to UAS operation. That way people who simply don’t know will be enlightened. Is that going to stop dedicated bad guys? No - but it will cut down significantly on people who are of good will who simply don’t know all the rules.
I also anticipate, based on the request for an e-mail address, that the FAA will send out any needed bulletins and updates to registered parties. I still get those for being a private pilot even though I haven’t flown as one for years. Oh, the horror! Frankly, it’s a lot less annoying than a lot of spam e-mail I get. Maybe the FAA will wind up sponsoring safety and information seminars for UAS owners like they do for pilots (those are free, by the way, with free coffee and donuts to encourage attendance).
So while I am not exactly enthused by these new requirements I am not surprised by them, and there may even be some positives that come out of it.
The old RC planes hobbyist flew for decades didn’t get high enough to intrude on the airspace planes occupy. At least I hope private planes aren’t buzzing my house at 75 ft. Planes and RC hobbyists coexisted for over fifty years.
I suspect most drones under this years family Christmas trees don’t fly very high either. It takes serious money to buy the big drones with extended range.
That is actually why you aren’t allowed to fly RC within 5 miles of an airport without contacting ATC - because that’s a location full size airplanes fly low enough to “interact” with RC. That’s also why you have to use particular frequencies for RC, so you don’t interfere with ATC communications. Is there anyone here who thinks those are bad rules?
In the old days, if you got above 400 feet your probably couldn’t see your RC anymore but now we have on-board cameras. In fact, a even a lot of old-style RC could go higher than 400 feet, they didn’t because if they did get that far away the owners would lose them. Now… the darn things can be equipped with homing chips so if they lose contact with you they’ll still fly “home” on their own. Or anywhere else you choose to program them to go (oh, that couldn’t possibly cause concern, right?).
Actually, you CAN go higher… IF you contact the FAA and ask for permission. Back when I was flying full size airplanes once or twice I wound up modifying my course because I was informed that a chunk of airspace had been set aside for the day for a model rocket club, or someone requesting aerobatic practice space, or whatever. Wow, how awful, a Federal agency coordinating flying things so as to minimize the chance of two objects attempting to occupy the same location at the same time. Is there anyone here who objects to the idea of hobbyists asking for a location where they won’t interfere with anyone else, and no one else will interfere with their activities?
Fortunately, no one is asking serious money to register small drones, right?
The roll-out on registration and regulation for the larger UAS types, as well as commercial operations, are supposed to happen in spring of 2016. I gather that at present both those categories are still in the “call the district office and ask for permission” stage, but since I’m not involved in that I don’t know for sure.
If all these hobbyists (including you) and all their aircrafts were made out of bosons instead of fermions, this would never have been a problem. 
Worse than that, there have been countless incidents of people flying these things around airports. Seemingly every aviation expert thinks it’s a miracle that one hasn’t been sucked into a jet engine yet, or gone crashing thru a cockpit windshield. It’s only a matter of time before something like this happens.
Are you serious?
Drones shut down arial firefighting several times last summer in California. In at least one case the fire posed an immediate threat to a major highway. By law, as soon as there is a fire emergency the airspace is closed to all non-firefighting traffic. The drones detected over the fires stopped most of the effective firefighting in those cases until the drone operators could be located and stopped.
The same problems occur hundreds of times a year near airports.
Existing Laws need to be strongly enforced against any fools flying drones close to airports. Thats an unacceptable hazard.
The local RC clubs I’ve visited have their own fields. Henderson Flying Club in Sherwood AR has Henderson Field, 10 acres with a 400 ft close cut grass strip. CAMAA in Bauxite AR has Ellis field. Theres several other clubs in my area. I used to take my daughters to watch the planes on weekends. I bought a trainer plane 15 years ago, but never had much patience learning to fly it. Been in the closet ever since.
These newbie drone operators are ruining a good thing by acting so irresponsibly. Now the FAA will be all over everybody with new rules, fees and other crap.
Drones with flamethrowers. It’s what all the kiddies are asking for Christmas.
So broomstick you think that it is the job of the federal Government to “Force” regulation on it’s citizen?
What population demanded this? Was there a vote? (not that voting really matters)
Just because the Federal Government says they are in charge of something doesn’t make it law. However the BLM would disagree with me and thousands of other land owners. Their force able attempts at private land grabs is nothing short of criminal. So in your opinion as I read, if the federal government agencies say something we must believe it to be true and never question?
This regulation was created out of thin air period. Some like it, some don’t. I don’t have a dog in this fight but my concern is that “THE PEOPLE” should not allow this tactic to continue. This really has nothing to do with drones in my mind, but it does have everything to do with liberty. If I find something destructive and immoral in my neck of the woods I don’t believe the federal government should come in and save me from the atrocity and blanket the whole country with a regulation. Maybe I would bring it up at the local level and see what we could do to rectify the situation. “The People” you see?
You chose the regulations when you decided to become a pilot, that’s on you, but if I have a bullet heater to heat my home because I do not want to pay for oil, propane or electric heat then that’s my right. Not so says the federal government, we will just make them illegal in the name of safety. True story, that happened here. I mean where did that come from? Certainly not the people cause almost everyone I knew had one and now we are back to wood stoves which are going to be regulated to not burn pellets. Is this the America you want to live in?
I agree that those “asshats” operating drones should not be interfering with the safety of others but as the police say one bad apple does not make them all bad. It’s a shame that when a few bad apples ruin liberty for the masses and we allow it. Jurisdiction is a term that will extinct soon and the federal government will be all up in your homes regulating much more than they are now.
I think you see my point and I see your’s as well but we as a people must stop routing for more government control. In my opinion the federal government steals way to much of our money and in turn spends it telling us how to live our lives while it medals in other countries practicing the very things they tell us not to do. Immoral and destructive.
I really do like discussing issues like this 
Are you a Freeman on the Land who thinks that you can opt out of laws by making a few weird legal tricks?
Nope, not at all
did 23 yrs in the military
pay my taxes
nice attempt at a dig
now define “weird legal trick” and maybe I can be more detailed for you… oh you mean like a lawyer or cop?
Yup. Like this moron in Istanbul.
Yes indeed, sometimes government regulation IS necessary.
Why?
Because People. Are. Stupid. There are many, many stupid people out there. Now most of the time, we don’t have to regulate the stupid things they do. WE don’t need to regulate whether or not they snort Dr. Pepper up their noses, or if they stuff Hans Solo replica action figures up their butt.holes. This stupid activity harms only themselves.
But when an activity is stupid and can harm others - we need to regulate it. Because stupid people will do it. And guess what? THEY DON’T REALIZE THEY ARE STUPID. They need looking after. Because their stupidity will harm others.
Now I know what you’re saying. I am NOT stupid. I do not need to be regulated. Well maybe so. (or maybe you just don’t know you’re stupid - see above) But there are many, many stupid people around.
Now we have a new technology, whose price and availability suddenly make it available to the many, many stupid people out there. They fly near airports. They fly over fires. They do stupid things. They will CONTINUE to do stupid things unless we stop them. How do we stop them? Do we make them smarter? No. Do we individually educate each and every stupid person after they have brought down a plane or interfered with firefighters? No.
We have to introduce regulations for the stupid people. Stupid people can follow simple rules. They don’t understand WHY, and they might get MAD that they can’t fly their toy over an airport, but they will generally follow rules.
So this is why we have many regulations; They are for stupid people, and PARTICULARLY for stupid people who don’t know they are stupid.