# US Nuland caught on tape: \*\*CK the EU! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744 "2014-02-07T09:12:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/21 "2014-02-07T14:17:16Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > I’m fairly sure the EU agrees entirely that the present Ukraine regime is illegitimate. As to whether its relations with the US should be revised is rather separate - it would be stupid of them to back the unpopular regime just to spite the US. > [@Donnerwetter](#): > > I can’t imagine that the Russians really wiretapped a phone conversation between foreign diplomats. No civilized nation would ever do that. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > The US Nuland is a Snowden-class destroyer that patrols the North Sea. Not sure what it has to do with Ukraine. > > I’m intrigued by the idea that it took the U.S. to sow chaos in Syria. I had the impression they were doing just fine without our help. Victoria Nuland ROFL ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/22 "2014-02-07T14:30:21Z")
You know, if the protesters eventually win (and I hope they do, because their government is quite objectively terrible), there’s going to be a lot of akwardness when they suddenly realize nobody \*asked \*or offered them to join the EU at any point. It’s kind of like watching a couple of bums thumping on each other in front of a posh disco, arguing over who gets to enter first, while the bemused bouncer goes “Look, dudes, not to be a dick or anything but…” As for the OP, it’s going to take more than that to make us hate the US. Well, actually we _already_ hate the US, but we make a lot of money pretending to agree with them. Needs must when the Devil drives, and that. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/23 "2014-02-07T14:52:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Nuland? Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State. What exactly is the debate here? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/24 "2014-02-07T15:16:05Z")
America: is it the _worst_ country in history, or is it the _most terrible_ country in history? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/25 "2014-02-07T15:24:19Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What are we debating now? So far? Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/26 "2014-02-07T15:27:39Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > America: is it the _worst_ country in history, or is it the _most terrible_ country in history? False dichotomy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/27 "2014-02-07T15:39:15Z")
Fallacy of the excluded middle. _Most worst_ country in history. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/28 "2014-02-07T15:41:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Europeans must be sick of being dragged into war after war led by the Americans. At last they are waking up. You know, the irony quotient on this is pretty much off the scale considering the wars Europe managed to drag us into in the past. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any wars we dragged them into kicking and screaming, though I assume the OP means Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Obviously hyperbole and scale are a major factor in this rant. > [@](#): > > Europeans can see again that their alliance with the USA needs to be revised. I’ll be holding my breath for the Europeans to begin revising the alliance. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/29 "2014-02-07T15:52:34Z")
I’ve got to agree. No debate. I’ll send it off to the Pit for more energetic snarkiness. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/30 "2014-02-07T16:05:54Z")
> [@XT](#): > > You know, the irony quotient on this is pretty much off the scale considering the wars Europe managed to drag us into in the past. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any wars we dragged them into kicking and screaming, though I assume the OP means Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Obviously hyperbole and scale are a major factor in this rant. > > I’ll be holding my breath for the Europeans to begin revising the alliance. 😛 Pretty sure the Europeans (specifically the UK and France) dragged the US into Libya, and it was France’s fault the US got into Vietnam in the first place. The US does get credit for both Gulf Wars and Afghanistan though. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/31 "2014-02-07T16:28:36Z")
tut tut those ‘French’. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/32 "2014-02-07T16:31:27Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You know, if the protesters eventually win (and I hope they do, because their government is quite objectively terrible), there’s going to be a lot of akwardness when they suddenly realize nobody \*asked \*or offered them to join the EU at any point. Yes they did. These protests are about an affiliation treaty Ukraine was scheduled to sign with the EU. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/33 "2014-02-07T16:32:41Z")
\*\*US Nuland caught on tape: \*\*CK the EU! \*\* I’m failing to see an issue of any kind with it. Isn’t this getting to be pretty much a rallying cry all over Europe these days? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/34 "2014-02-07T17:02:21Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > tut tut those ‘French’. So you have no salient point to make except to sit on the side and throw out meaningless snide commentary like an angry beer soaked lout. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/35 "2014-02-07T17:19:48Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > It’s interesting to watch how involved the Americans are in the Ukraine and their attempts to oust the democratically elected president there. It shows how schizophrenic they are. How hypocritical when you compare the different policy to Egypt… American foreign policy has always been transparently cynical in this regard. The US government has never had any qualms about ousting democratic governments if it’s perceived as being in our national interest. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/36 "2014-02-07T17:21:36Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > So you have no salient point to make except to sit on the side and throw out meaningless snide commentary like an angry beer soaked lout. :rolleyes: And your point is …? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/37 "2014-02-07T17:26:12Z")
I’m partial to braised, beer soaked lout, personally (myself, I would rather taste the fear than the anger, so it’s all in how you go about harvesting the lout to improve the final product). It’s even better than a MLT (mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, ‘where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. They’re so perky, I love that…’). ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/38 "2014-02-07T17:32:20Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > And your point is …? 😛 something to do with “dragging” and “kicking and screaming”. It’s all very _visual._ ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/39 "2014-02-07T17:33:16Z")
I wish the US would stop trying to secretly interfere in places that have little to do with us OR I wish the US would just come right out and say we believe Ukraine’s government is illegal and will not recognize it ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744/40 "2014-02-07T17:37:13Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > So you have no salient point to make except to sit on the side and throw out meaningless snide commentary like an angry beer soaked lout. :rolleyes: Ftr, I resent “meaningless”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-nuland-caught-on-tape-ck-the-eu/680744.md?page=3)