# US pulls out of Paris Climate Change Treaty - thoughts? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 1, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872 "2017-06-01T20:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/41 "2017-06-02T15:06:58Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The US has been a leader in environmental regulations since the late 1960’s. Who started Earth Day? We did! Who developed technology to scrub the emissions from coal burning plants? Who eliminated lead from gasoline first? We did!!! Who has lead the way on solar technology? Yes,that’s us to. > > Meanwhile China’s current smog is so bad it directly effected the 2014 Olympics. They’ve done next to nothing. Russia sure as hell isn’t some beacon of environmental friendlessness either. > > snip > > Pulling out of the Paris Accord does not mean the US commitment to clean air has changed. > > Yes, Trump may roll back the EPA’s powers. That will quickly be corrected after he’s voted out of office in four years. > [The History of Earth Day - Earth Day](http://www.earthday.org/about/the-history-of-earth-day/) And yet, the USA is still the second biggest polluter in the World. Commitment to clean air my arse. [Reuters article](http://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/who-are-the-worlds-biggest-polluters?articleId=USRTXRKSI). ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/42 "2017-06-02T15:25:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The world’s weather patterns have shifted throughout time… > That’s what happens on this huge planet. Every few centuries weather patterns change. It’s normal. > > The sky isn’t falling because the weather patterns change. > > It’ll swing back cold again in a few hundred years. This statement shows a complete lack of understanding of science and the issues. Please, enlighten us on the science that shows temperatures will swing back cold in a few hundred years despite the continued rise in CO[sub]2[/sub]. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/43 "2017-06-02T15:46:39Z")
Here you go. Weather patterns going back to 2500 BC. > **[Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. to 2040 A.D.](http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm)** > > Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C. There’s nothing unusual about major shifts in temperature. Stick around a few centuries and another mini ice age will occur. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/44 "2017-06-02T15:55:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Here you go. Weather patterns going back to 2500 BC. > [Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. to 2040 A.D.](http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm) Can you perhaps plot that against global CO[sub]2[/sub] levels? Maybe compare global temperatures against CO[sub]2[/sub] levels? What you are doing is not science. It’s distraction and cherry picking. And you’ll get better information from actual scientists, not a lawyer who decided he was a climatologist to further his bible-based anti-AGW views. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/45 "2017-06-02T16:07:40Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Here you go. Weather patterns going back to 2500 BC. > [Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. to 2040 A.D.](http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm) > > There’s nothing unusual about major shifts in temperature. > > Stick around a few centuries and another mini ice age will occur. The “climatologist” you’re citing is trained in insurance law and uses the Bible to predict the weather: “I do believe in a period of extreme global warming. That will be in the tribulation period. That’s when the real global warming will come in,” he said. “Those of us who are believers, we’re looking forward to it.” Can you explain why you believe him, and not actual scientists? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/46 "2017-06-02T16:13:23Z")
The mini ice age during the middle ages is well documented. I linked to the ice Festivals they had annually on the River Thames. I know nothing about the other link. It’s the first one that pops up searching for weather pattern history. If that guy has been discredited then I apologise. That still doesn’t change history. It’s widely known that there are historical climate changes. Unfortunately we didn’t have computer databases to accurately record them. We have to rely on verbal history and some written history that has survived through time. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/47 "2017-06-02T16:24:40Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’m not sure I’d go as far as saying it’s better that we’re out, but I’ll cling to any positive spin that could be put on this shitshow. Climate denial is now linked to Donald Trump. When Trump’s popularity collapses, climate denial will drop with him. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/48 "2017-06-02T16:25:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > That still doesn’t change history. It’s widely known that there are historical climate changes. Unfortunately we didn’t have computer databases to accurately record them. We have to rely on verbal history and some written history that has survived through time. Yes. Historical climate changes that [happen to correlate perfectly](https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/page4.php) with CO2 emissions. If a volcano spews out CO2 and changes the climate there is nothing that we can do about it, and since the volcano eventually stops spewing out CO2, then the problem eventually corrects. If we are the ones spewing out CO2, then there IS something that we can do about it, and unless we do something about that then the problem DOESN’T correct. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/49 "2017-06-02T16:27:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s widely known that there are historical climate changes. Unfortunately we didn’t have computer databases to accurately record them. We have to rely on verbal history and some written history that has survived through time. Good grief, learn some science before you spout off about what’s going to happen to temperatures in 200 years. You think our entire knowledge of temperatures throughout the history of the earth comes from verbal and written history? I know _Jurassic Park_ portrayed those 'raptors as being pretty smart, but believe me. They didn’t record temperatures in their diaries. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/50 "2017-06-02T17:07:02Z")
I think some interests want to open up the Arctic for resource extraction and new shipping lanes, so more warming is in their interest. I’m skeptical that capitalism can solve problems of this magnitude and time scale, especially given its inherent short term outlook. I think humanity will try to cope with GW by way of geo-engineering, genetic engineering of crops, and sea walls. I’ve read articles over the years saying this or that effect is already irreversible, even if humanity de-industrialized tomorrow, so I wasn’t too optimistic about a deal that was supposedly rather toothless. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/51 "2017-06-02T19:39:00Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I think some interests want to open up the Arctic for resource extraction and new shipping lanes, so more warming is in their interest… The Northwest Passage will be tremendously embiggened! And we’ll be able to go skinny-dipping off the decks of the oil tankers as we pass through! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872/52 "2017-06-02T20:14:21Z")
The Paris Agreement was a massive wankfest. We are far better off out of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-pulls-out-of-paris-climate-change-treaty-thoughts/787872.md?page=2)