# US taxpayers funding the pimping of eight year old boys as sex slaves in Afghanistan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401 "2010-12-08T14:04:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/21 "2010-12-09T04:36:19Z")
that bachu bazi shit is fucking crazy. What the fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/22 "2010-12-09T11:57:59Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > that bachu bazi shit is fucking crazy. What the fuck. Is that a bachu bazi song? Or the final last words of a bachu bazi? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/23 "2010-12-09T14:13:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I suppose they could falsify the actual expediture, but then why not simply falsify the expenses to begin with? It happens, of course, but that’s a level of fraud that simply doesn’t happen much. Considering past events such as the missing $9 billion that evaporated somewhere in Iraq in 2003 and 2004, or the [very recent Louis Berger](http://www.phillipsandcohen.com/CM/NewsSettlements/NewsSettlements619.asp) case in Afghanistan, can I ask how you reach that conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/24 "2010-12-09T14:14:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nothing in that link indicates that the company would bill the government, either. Ah, well that’s ok then. ---
**Author:** ![GiantRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@GiantRat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GiantRat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/25 "2010-12-09T14:19:21Z")
I once worked for Dyncorp (now owned by CSC, I believe - at least, it got purchased several years ago). Yes, they’ve had some “issues,” but these come up when you send folks overseas. I’m not defending anyone related to kid-trafficking, but just saying that being a an employee of company XYZ doesn’t mean you’re a good or bad person. BTW - DynCorp, where’s employee stock payout, you pricks? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/26 "2010-12-09T14:24:23Z")
> [@GiantRat](#): > > Yes, they’ve had some “issues,” but these come up when you send folks overseas. Can you advise if the use of issues in quote marks is referring to the sex slave ring in Bosnia, or the child buggery incident here. It’s seldom I can hold the oil industry up as an example of morality but we seem to be able to send people to lots of overseas destinations without viewing that behaviour as par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/27 "2010-12-09T14:40:27Z")
I’ve heard a lot about Afghanistan and the dancing boys. This is what comes of a culture where interaction between the sexes is so regulated…I guess. It seems monstrous, of course, and this is horrific. And he didn’t take “money from the petty cash and go and buy a streetwalker”. Did you even read the article? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/28 "2010-12-09T18:04:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It happens, of course, but that’s a level of fraud that simply doesn’t happen much. > [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Considering past events such as the missing $9 billion that evaporated somewhere in Iraq in 2003 and 2004, or the [very recent Louis Berger](http://www.phillipsandcohen.com/CM/NewsSettlements/NewsSettlements619.asp) case in Afghanistan, can I ask how you reach that conclusion? The hundreds of thousands of government contractors that DON’T engage in fraud. “Doesn’t happen much” =/= “Doesn’t ever happen.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/29 "2010-12-09T18:08:36Z")
> [@zut](#): > > Wait, what? Why would anyone need to falsify expenditures? I was assuming that the whole “throwing a party for police recruits” was a completely kosher expenditure, except for the “providing underage boys for anal sex” part. If that’s true, then hiring some entertainment, like singers or dancers or whatever, would also be completely kosher, and passing along the expense to the governement would be completely kosher, again except for the underage boys & anal sex part. I don’t see what’s incredible about that. > > I mean, assuming that the government _was_ billed here (which, again, is admittedly unsupported) it doesn’t seem like it’s necessarily fraud at all, much less “a level of fraud that simply doesn’t happen much.” If a party to recruit… er… recruits is legitimate, then passing on the expense is equally legitimate, and doesn’t concern us. If the sex was paid for and billed to the government, it’s fraud. If the sex was paid for and NOT billed to the government, then it’s not money from the taxpayers; it’s money from the company. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/30 "2010-12-09T18:09:36Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Pull the other one, Bricker. Seriously, they threw a party for recruits necessary to fulfill their government contract. This in a company that relies on the US government for the vast bulk of their revenue. Whether they directly billed the taxpayer or not, who do you think paid the tab? Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? Neither. The company. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/31 "2010-12-09T18:44:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If a party to recruit… er… recruits is legitimate, then passing on the expense is equally legitimate, and doesn’t concern us. If the sex was paid for and billed to the government, it’s fraud. If the sex was paid for and NOT billed to the government, then it’s not money from the taxpayers; it’s money from the company. As to your first point, it may indeed be fraud, but I don’t see how this is such a huge, incredible level of fraud that it renders the idea of the cost being passed onto the government unbelievable. As to your second point, if the party to entertain recruits is legitimate, and all the legitimate expenses are passed on to the government, but the company picks up the special underage anal sex entertainment on their own dime…that’s still not analagous to a federal worker soliciting prostitutes on his own time with his own money. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/32 "2010-12-09T22:58:25Z")
If this practice has been normal in Afghanistan for so long, then there must be a lot of adult men who once were bacha boys. Has anyone studied how they feel about it now, whether it is a horrible or a pleasant memory to them, what lasting psychological effect it has had on them, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/33 "2010-12-10T01:11:30Z")
The first article linked in the OP says, “bacha bazi is a pre-Islamic Afghan tradition that was banned by the Taliban.” That would make it at least twelve centuries old . . . And the U.S., by deposing the Taliban, allowed it to be resumed. Unintended consequences, y’know. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/34 "2010-12-10T01:26:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Neither. The company. Are you trolling or stupid? A company financed by the US, rapes children while acting on US interests and than attempts to use US diplomatic pressure to keep it hush hush, and this is not being enabled by US money collected from tax payers, how? If tax payers had not financed that company’s operations would it have had the funds to rape children? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/35 "2010-12-10T06:17:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The hundreds of thousands of government contractors that DON’T engage in fraud. “Doesn’t happen much” =/= “Doesn’t ever happen.” $9 billion missing in a 2 year period. Let me guess, it’s just a tiny, tiny minority of contractors who are managing to scam on a fucking impressive level, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/36 "2010-12-10T06:21:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Neither. The company. That would be the company that receives 95% of its income from the US government. Does that mean that only 95% of the child buggery was funded by the US government, or do you feel they ringfenced specific funds from the other 5% of income perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/37 "2010-12-11T03:09:05Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Does that mean that only 95% of the child buggery was funded by the US government, or do you feel they ringfenced specific funds from the other 5% of income perhaps? Don’t expect a real answer to this, by the way. I personally now believe that Bricker’s account got hacked a few months ago by an ultra-radical wing of the RNC. Bricker used to be a reasonable guy, conservative sure, but reasonable. Lately, there’s not a 'Pubbie dick he won’t suck no matter who’s ass it’s been in. ---
**Author:** ![GiantRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@GiantRat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GiantRat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/38 "2010-12-11T05:48:38Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Can you advise if the use of issues in quote marks is referring to the sex slave ring in Bosnia, or the child buggery incident here. > > It’s seldom I can hold the oil industry up as an example of morality but we seem to be able to send people to lots of overseas destinations without viewing that behaviour as par for the course. The “issue” I was referring to was in South America. It was about 8 years ago or so. Colombia/Ecuador. ---
**Author:** ![GiantRat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@GiantRat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GiantRat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/39 "2010-12-11T05:54:39Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > That would be the company that receives 95% of its income from the US government. > > Does that mean that only 95% of the child buggery was funded by the US government, or do you feel they ringfenced specific funds from the other 5% of income perhaps? There are lots of companies out there receiving 100% of their income from the government. That doesn’t make them bad companies. It makes them customized service providers. You don’t need a (formerly) Blackwater retired SF guy to do security at the local Exxon. You do need one at a firebase, if you don’t have adequate resources on-hand to do the job. Heh. “On hand to do the job” = handjob. Yes, Part of my brain is still 13. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2010, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401/40 "2010-12-11T06:33:38Z")
> [@GiantRat](#): > > Heh. “On hand to do the job” = handjob. Yes, Part of my brain is still 13. Scratch 5 years off, and you’d be hired at the next bachu bazi party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/us-taxpayers-funding-the-pimping-of-eight-year-old-boys-as-sex-slaves-in-afghanistan/563401.md?page=3)