# USA is a shitty country, stop bombing everyone
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 16, 2013, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452 "2013-12-16T10:37:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/21 "2013-12-16T14:07:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#):
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> One does one’s best to be evenhanded. Sometimes we blow up bad guys, sometimes we blow up weddings. Still, at least with drones we seem to get fewer of our own guys killed, which is better (for a given value of “better”).
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> To sum up: war bad. Terrorism bad. Pie good. Unless it’s WAR PIE in which case it’s bad.
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> …but who’s counting?
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> Of course, from their point of view we started it much earlier and we (the West) have a much higher body count. But no, that’s all bygones. History rebooted on September 11, 2001.
> That’s…actually quite insane. “You’re bad because you want to kill us because you feel threatened by us, therefore we’re going to kill you first because we feel threatened by you, incidentally justifying your feelings of being threatened by us.” How constructive.
well, yes, that was my point. How do you end an asymmetrical conflict? No one to negotiate with. tit for tat for tit for tat for tit…
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/22 "2013-12-16T14:16:37Z")
> [@crucible](#):
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> well, yes, that was my point. How do you end an asymmetrical conflict?
From orbit?
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/23 "2013-12-16T14:29:08Z")
> [@Ben-wynyard](#):
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> The only terrorist are you and your army.
Sure, now. Because we bombed all the other terrorists.
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### Author:  [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/24 "2013-12-16T14:29:31Z")
Be nice to the Kiwi guys. He’s having a rough time. His favorite ewe broke up with him and has moved in with the ram just down the road.
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/25 "2013-12-16T14:41:11Z")
> [@bobot](#):
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> Where is New Zealand? You know…coordinate-wise?
It’s not so much a place as a series of domestic programs designed by FDR to combat apathy… right?
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### Author:  [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/26 "2013-12-16T14:45:04Z")
> [@The New Zealand Accent](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-zealand-accent/676449/19):
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> Why don’t you go eat arse you arrogant prick! I will discuss anything I like when I like, what authority do you have over this forum??! Oh that’s right NONE, if you don’t like the discussion then move on!! Nigger please , we live in paradise , we have half the social problems you have and our cops don’t even carry guns. Yeap I am proud to be from the greatest nation in the world and there ain’t nothing you can do about that! Your so arrogant and foolish!!
> [@The New Zealand Accent](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-new-zealand-accent/676449/21):
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> We speak an entire different language now is that not culturally different? The only countries America is interested in is the next country they are going to bomb. Do Americans actually travel? How many average Americans actually have a passport? Do they actually travel without it involving an army? Do they really not have free health care that’s why there are so many gross people there? Do you really need the guns, that’s why you have mass shootings all the time ? over populated , half your people live in poverty and you are all dramatic **9/11 was an inside job done by your own people** , to dumb to realise when your being duped
Wow, what a petulant, ignorant little shithead. As if being insulting and clueless on how to communicate with others wasn’t bad enough (hey, that’s me in a nutshell, I can handle that), he throws on a dollop of “Hurr durr this window is delicious” in the second post (bolded by me). Anyone wanna start a pool on how long he sticks around? I give it a week. Hey, pro tip sparky: when calling someone else “dumb”, you _really_ should make sure you’ve got your “to/two/too” down. And, you know, not have three unrelated spelling/grammar errors in the same sentence fragment. 😉
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/27 "2013-12-16T14:53:42Z")
> [@crucible](#):
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> when the number of innocent victims of drone strikes reaches approx 3000, then balance will have been restored, if one considers this round of ‘warfare’ as beginning with 9/11.
We’ve already killed far more people than that. It has nothing to do with “balance”; it has to do with America being fanatically Christian & racist, and enjoying the indiscriminate killing of Muslims and brown people. And back when there were more of them available “godless” communists. We demonstrably do not care if someone attacks us or not or tries to cooperate with us; the Iraqis tried that and were slaughtered.
This is a religious war, Christians and Muslims killing one another simply because they are Christians and Muslims. The Christians are just less honest about it; they like to make these smirking speeches about how they want to bring freedom and democracy just before they “free” people by killing them.
> [@crucible](#):
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> so long as people are plotting to kill Americans, there or here, the drone strike is the best way to prevent that from happening.
No it isn’t, it encourages it by creating more and more murderously angry enemies.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/28 "2013-12-16T14:56:16Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#):
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> Be nice to the Kiwi guys. He’s having a rough time. His favorite ewe broke up with him and has moved in with the ram just down the road.
Kiwi national anthem: _I’ll Never Find Another Ewe._
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/29 "2013-12-16T14:56:53Z")
Silly, we don’t bomb _everyone_, just people we don’t like. And a few we do like but got in the way. Sorry about them.
OK, so that’s quite a lot of people, but still.
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### Author:  [@tonyfop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tonyfop)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/30 "2013-12-16T14:57:59Z")
> [@crucible](#):
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> (SNIP)so long as people are plotting to kill Americans, there or here, the drone strike is the best way to prevent that from happening. (SNIP)
I can think of two better ways, off the top of my head.
Firstly, boots on the ground will always be more effective as drones, but that method is unpalatable to the American electorate. A full-on all-out WW2-like effort to clear out the Islamists and the governments that support them would effectively end the threat. That, of course, is politically untennable.
Secondly, the only reason we care about ME politics is because of oil. The only technology we have now that could replace ME oil is nuclear, and that position is politically untennable. The president spoke of “North American energy independance” during the campaign, and American Oil production has ramped up in recent years, and US imports of crude oil are now below 1998 levels. We need to continue moving in that direction, but the majority of the US electorate does not want electric cars.
So basically, all of the alternatives would be political suicide, and we get what the American electorate wants: a low level, endless guerilla war.
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/31 "2013-12-16T15:06:19Z")
> [@tonyfop](#):
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> A full-on all-out WW2-like effort to clear out the Islamists and the governments that support them would effectively end the threat.
Only if by “WW2-like effort” you mean a much larger scale version of the Holocaust. If you want to destroy a major religion by killing, that’s the kind of killing you need to do.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/32 "2013-12-16T15:06:24Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#):
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> Is it Kiwis again? Man, they is on a rampage lately.
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> Brand new poster, already cranking out more than 26 posts a day…careful, you’ll burn out before getting to the good stuff.
All his posts are in his own threads and one zombie thread he resurrected (it was about New Zealand, shocker).
Banned by Christmas.
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### Author:  [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/33 "2013-12-16T15:10:49Z")
I’d like to recommend a book to the OP. It’s free and downloadable, [here](http://www.dalecarnegie.com/secrets_of_success/?keycode=google06_GBBranded&gclid=COzmttyCtbsCFUsV7AoduSoAbA). Then when visiting a new place perhaps he can avoid making so many enemies.
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/34 "2013-12-16T15:16:05Z")
“Hi, my name is Ben-wynyard, and every last one of you are arseholes and wankers. Now, who’s going to buy me a drink?”
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/35 "2013-12-16T15:18:34Z")
Ben-wynyard, what is your address. We’d like to send you a [del]drone[/del] er, “Chrstmas package”.
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### Author:  [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/36 "2013-12-16T15:18:48Z")
I’m assuming the OP has never visited the US and only knows of it from news stories half way around the world.
Visit someday. You might be surprised how foreign policy seems to differ from every day life. You’d be hard-pressed to find a more generous and friendly culture.
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### Author:  [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/37 "2013-12-16T15:31:01Z")
Actually he brings up a valid point: “can radical Islam coexist with Western secularism”?
Maybe what is needed is a complete isolation of the adherents of “radical” Islam. As we learned from the case of Syria, the radicals are not content to live with others (who do not share their vision)-witness the departure of moderates from the Syrian civil war. Is Assad right? Time will tell.
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### Author:  [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/38 "2013-12-16T15:45:28Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> From orbit?
Well, it _is_ the only way to be sure.
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### Author:  [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/39 "2013-12-16T15:50:05Z")
> [@bobot](#):
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> Where is New Zealand? You know…coordinate-wise?
I’m sorry but that made me laugh out loud. Thanks for starting my week off right.
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usa-is-a-shitty-country-stop-bombing-everyone/676452/40 "2013-12-16T16:44:04Z")
> [@Ben-wynyard](#):
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> yip you heard it/ stop bombing everyone and making up lies to justify it!! The only terrorist are you and your army.
We usually only yip when we unleash the dogs of war. As far as I know, we haven’t bombed New Zealand, but maybe you guys are so small you don’t count in the ‘bombing everyone’ category. Perhaps we’ll get to you next decade, though, since you are pretty far down the list.
(Out of curiosity, what sparked this little rant? Have we bombed someone lately that has finally made it into the news in Kiwi town??)
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