# usedtobe, you fucking racist! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795 "2016-10-17T00:32:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/1 "2016-10-17T00:32:03Z")
In the “What is your preferred method of payment?” thread, **usedtobe** drops this turd in: > [@What is your preferred method of payment?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-preferred-method-of-payment/768651/16): > > Routine, same amount every time and the time is predictable: > Auto deduct from debit card. Will give TR/Account to limited people (PayPal has it, Google does not). > > Know who and when, do not know how much (gas, electric, credit cards, a few others): have them set up for manual direct debit. > > In person, time/payee/amount varies, never more than $100 - cash > > A few are oddball: being old, I have several Rx drugs - most can be refilled by machine - I have the pharmacy’s mail-order handle it (yes, I know we are killing the Pharmacy Schools). > I do have have opioids, which are a super-special case\* which requires super-special handling. > \*\*\* Esp. now that Appalachian Coal Mines have shut down (that Ni**er in the White House is waging war on White America!) and the area is being flooded with “Hillbilly Heroin” - Oxycontin.** > Not surprisingly, some of the illiterate Wh_te Tra_h are killing themselves with it. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19704641#post19704641](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19704641#post19704641) What is your fucking problem? Can’t you disapprove of Obama’s performance as POTUS without using a racist word? This is 2016. That kind of shit isn’t supposed to fly any more. You either like him or you don’t. His race shouldn’t enter into your opinion of him as president. You’re entitled to your opinion, but there’s no reason to be crude about it. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/2 "2016-10-17T01:34:59Z")
I think that as in the case of another recent poster/post, he failed to use quote marks and a:rolleyes: to indicate that he’s referring to how _a certain segment of the population_ explains their economic woes. (“White Trash” OTOH apparentlt is his own words and uncalled for, as well) ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/3 "2016-10-17T01:41:04Z")
It’s nice of you to read a whole different meaning into his words, but there are neither quotes nor :rolleyes:, so we have to assume the words speak for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/4 "2016-10-17T01:46:58Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I think that as in the case of another recent poster/post, he failed to use quote marks and a:rolleyes: to indicate that he’s referring to how _a certain segment of the population_ explains their economic woes. > > (“White Trash” OTOH apparentlt is his own words and uncalled for, as well) Naw, if you’re going to drop the N-bomb as satire it’s on you to set it up properly. That was a fail. I don’t know this poster from Adam, so I have no knowledge to assess if they are racist, but as written, that is hella close. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/5 "2016-10-17T01:47:00Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > It’s nice of you to read a whole different meaning into his words, but there are neither quotes nor :rolleyes:, so we have to assume the words speak for themselves. And if he clarifies things as to what he meant vs what he said will all be well? I have no dog in this fight. To be honest I don’t even have a fucking clue as to what this particular fight is about… But I AM getting really fucking tired of one thing around here…that if somebody mispeaks/mistypes/says something off the cuff that the… GOD DAMN fucking gotcha police are here to “protect and serve” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/6 "2016-10-17T01:59:12Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > And if he clarifies things as to what he meant vs what he said will all be well? As \*\*Sitnam \*\*said, he’s still responsible from the start for making himself understood and if quoting, doing so clearly, 'cause you are supposed to be serious about the use of such language. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/7 "2016-10-17T02:04:24Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > As \*\*Sitnam \*\*said, he’s still responsible from the start for making himself clear and if quoting, doing so clearly, 'cause you are supposed to be serious about the use of such language. So, if someone accidentally says something ist/ic/whatever gets you folks around here riled up…they are guilty of being ist/ic/whatever? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/8 "2016-10-17T02:10:50Z")
Oops, I said something racist! :smack::mad: ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/9 "2016-10-17T02:27:38Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > So, if someone accidentally says something ist/ic/whatever gets you folks around here riled up…they are guilty of being ist/ic/whatever? The words speak for themselves in the absence of any other context. And there was nothing accidental about it. For whatever reason, he deliberately wrote “that ni\*\*er in the White House.” If he was mocking particular people who really are bigoted about an African-American POTUS, he failed to make that clear. But clearly, you’re drunkposting again, so I don’t expect you to make that distinction. Come back when you’re sober. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/10 "2016-10-17T02:29:08Z")
Goodness, instead of acting on knee jerk impulse, why don’t you try using your cognitive resources? Try asking yourself these questions: How long have they’ve been a member? Long time. Recognize username? If yes, has he ever pinged your radar as a racist? If no, maybe just maybe give them the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/11 "2016-10-17T02:32:10Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Goodness, instead of acting on knee jerk impulse, why don’t you try using your cognitive resources? > > Try asking yourself these questions: > > How long have they’ve been a member? Long time. > > Recognize username? > > If yes, has he ever pinged your radar as a racist? > > If no, maybe just maybe give them the benefit of the doubt. See my post just above yours. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/12 "2016-10-17T02:39:22Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Goodness, instead of acting on knee jerk impulse, why don’t you try using your cognitive resources? > > Try asking yourself these questions: > > How long have they’ve been a member? Long time. > > Recognize username? > > If yes, has he ever pinged your radar as a racist? > > If no, maybe just maybe give them the benefit of the doubt. Bingo… Again, I am arguing from first principles so to speak… Yeah if Usedtobe has danced up to the racist line a bunch of other times…and this is yet ANOTHER case of the same…well enuff said… OTOH, if Usedtobe has not done so…well, calm the fuck down. Obviously with such things YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/13 "2016-10-17T02:40:42Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > See my post just above yours. > [@cochrane](#): > > The words speak for themselves in the absence of any other context. And there was nothing accidental about it. For whatever reason, he deliberately wrote “that ni\*\*er in the White House.” If he was mocking particular people who really are bigoted about an African-American POTUS, he failed to make that clear. My post still stands. And why would you deliberately want to take something out of context when you don’t have to? It sounds like willful ignorance on your part. And please tell me how you know for a fact there was “nothing accidental about it”. Are you a mind reader as well as willfully ignorant? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/14 "2016-10-17T02:44:28Z")
He got a mod note for it: > [@What is your preferred method of payment?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-preferred-method-of-payment/768651/30): > > I’m not sure what you were intending to accomplish, but this little slur-filled rant has no place in this thread. Don’t do this again. I know that’s meaningless to some of you, though. And the ignorance isn’t on my part. I’d say the ignorance belongs to **usedtobe** and anybody who is defending him. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/15 "2016-10-17T02:45:31Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > The words speak for themselves in the absence of any other context. And there was nothing accidental about it. For whatever reason, he deliberately wrote “that ni\*\*er in the White House.” If he was mocking particular people who really are bigoted about an African-American POTUS, he failed to make that clear. > > But clearly, you’re drunkposting again, so I don’t expect you to make that distinction. Come back when you’re sober. I understand the distinction very clearly. IFF he failed to failed to make his mocking clear…well that is bad. But, again, failure to do so makes him a shitty poster (in this particular instance)…it does NOT make him a friggin racist just because he mocked racists in a way that does not meet some standard of “this is how you mock racist thinking with (insert some standards that don’t actually exist)” ---
**Author:** ![Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tastes_of_chocolate/32/3232_2.png) [@Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tastes_of_Chocolate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/16 "2016-10-17T02:46:04Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > If no, maybe just maybe give them the benefit of the doubt. There is no finger slip that results in “that ni **er in the White House." It’s not like I meant to type Bob and ended up with boob. Spell check didn’t change a word. So obviously, "that ni** er in the White House.” is what was intended. Since all we have here is words (I can’t see air quotes or a shrug or a raised eyebrow) then it really is up to us to take responsibility for what we type. If what I type is open to multiple interpretations, then I should be looking for a better way to say it. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/17 "2016-10-17T02:49:11Z")
I can almost hear Mark Twain spinning in the grave as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/18 "2016-10-17T02:52:37Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I can almost hear Mark Twain spinning in the grave as we speak. Huck Finn was in another century. Welcome to the 21st. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/19 "2016-10-17T03:26:21Z")
That post deserves no benefit of the doubt. There’s no indication at all that it is ironic or sarcastic or characterizing someone else’s attitude. Maybe he made a mistake—it can happen on a text-only medium—but now that he has been called out, it’s up to him to explain himself. If someone used this language in real life with no hint of irony would you give him the benefit of the doubt or would you require him to justify himself? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795/20 "2016-10-17T03:32:07Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That post deserves no benefit of the doubt. There’s no indication at all that it is ironic or sarcastic or characterizing someone else’s attitude. Maybe he made a mistake—it can happen on a text-only medium—but now that he has been called out, it’s up to him to explain himself. > > If someone used this language in real life with no hint of irony would you give him the benefit of the doubt or would you require him to justify himself? Neither. I’d walk away and have nothing more to say to him. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/usedtobe-you-fucking-racist/768795.md?page=2)