# User Jasmine’s opinions regarding the US system of jurisprudence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 27, 2025, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214 "2025-03-27T18:10:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/41 "2025-03-28T01:13:08Z")
I cannot believe anyone would defend this guy. He shot a person to death in broad daylight, on camera. Took off. Got caught. Probably taped a semi-confession. Yes, yes, yes. Give him a trial. A fair trial. Let him be judged by a jury of his peers. I believe in all that. Let him exhaust all his appeals. I _feel_ like he’ll be judged guilty. And should be. I never said put him to death. I never said L------g. _YOU_ said that. That’s kind of an offensive thing to say to a homespun southern gal like me. I’m pretty sure no l-------gs have happened in my general region for several decades if ever. We’re kinda nice down here. Y’all come. I have a real problem with capital punishment. Not real clear how I feel about the legalities of it. But I do not like it. So, lump me in with other Dopers. I can make a list, as well. Isn’t that what we did in grade school? Remember those books that would go around school with names and vile descriptions of the unpopular. So so childish. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/42 "2025-03-28T01:15:52Z")
That attitude you get when people try to judge you going on what you think is insufficient information? Go take a long, hard look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/43 "2025-03-28T01:18:06Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I cannot believe anyone would defend this guy. What’s being ‘defended’ is the fundamental concept of Due Process. Here. I can help: > **[Due process](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process)** > > Due process of law is application by the state of all legal rules and principles pertaining to a case so all legal rights that are owed to a person are respected. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law. > Due process has also been frequently interpreted as limiting laws and legal proceedings ... ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/44 "2025-03-28T01:18:56Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > Isn’t that more of a Khan paraphrase? [No](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w1I5IYfkyM&t=88s), although Khan does anachronistically make reference to a supposed Klingon proverb [“that tells us revenge is a dish best served cold”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=hMHxcnR-V7xbWrzv&v=5vwHLMs04XA&feature=youtu.be), even though he’s never met a Klingon and should know essentially nothing about them. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/45 "2025-03-28T01:19:53Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > ~~We interrupt this episode of The Pitting of Jasmin to bring an special episode of The Beckdawrek Show~~ We interrupt this episode of The Beckdawrek Show to bring an special episode of The Smapti Show Theres no commercials? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/46 "2025-03-28T01:21:07Z")
It has been, admittedly, a minute or two since I’ve seen Undiscovered County. The anachronistic Khan quote was the one I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/47 "2025-03-28T01:23:29Z")
We interrupt this thread to bring you this important message! Have you been having ‘senior moments’? Walking into rooms and not knowing why you are there? Are you just not as sharp as you used to be? Prevagen is made with an ingredient found in jellyfish! It is not supported by evidence of any kind! You should run out an buy some before senility destroys what little memory you have left! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/48 "2025-03-28T01:26:59Z")
I totally get that. And I want him to have his day. Judged by a jury. Not be adored by idiot fan girls, given lots of money and waste anymore taxpayer money than necessary. Yes he should get his fair trial. And @Czarcasm , I can’t look in a mirror for staring at your avatar. You so funny. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/49 "2025-03-28T01:29:20Z")
One more, @Beckdawrek – largely because your knowledge on these things generally tends to be a millimeter wide and a millimeter deep (thus failing to inform your ardent, ubiquitous, and irrepressible ‘opinions’): > **[National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie)** > > National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977), arising out of what is sometimes referred to as the Skokie Affair, was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court dealing with freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. This case is considered a "classic" free speech case in constitutional law classes. Related court decisions are captioned Skokie v. NSPA, Collin v. Smith, and Smith v. Collin. The Supreme Court ruled 5–4, per curiam. The Supreme Court Before the Skok... TL;DR: _“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”_ –Evelyn Beatrice Hall (probably) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/50 "2025-03-28T01:30:04Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I totally get that. All evidence to the contrary. But who would you be if you weren’t exactly who you are? I’d love to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/51 "2025-03-28T01:33:41Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I totally get that. And I want him to have his day. Judged by a jury. And you seem to want the jury, _who will see much more evidence than you could ever hope to see_, to come to the same conclusion you jumped to from the convenience of your couch. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/52 "2025-03-28T02:27:09Z")
And just where are you sitting? Aren’t we all making judgement calls from the comfort of our lives. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/53 "2025-03-28T02:34:49Z")
Someone mentioned me? Not even sure what this thread is about, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/54 "2025-03-28T02:34:54Z")
This may come as a complete and utter shock to you, but as far as this case is concerned I have made no decision whatsoever, because I realize that my uninformed opinion is by its very nature inferior to the informed opinions of those that will sit on the jury and hear the evidence. It is _much_ easier to accept a correct decision if one is not first barricaded by an incorrect decision. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/55 "2025-03-28T03:31:30Z")
Thank you. I hear you. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/56 "2025-03-28T03:37:14Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Any thinking person knows if some one kills someone **they deserve punishment**. I’d like to ask if you meant “Murdered” instead of “kills”. If you kill someone, it can mean many different things, right? Including murder? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/57 "2025-03-28T03:38:05Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Thank you. I hear you. The modern and polite way to say “You said something, and I acknowledge that you said something while _seeming_ to agree with what you said.” ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/58 "2025-03-28T04:19:04Z")
Umm..ok. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/59 "2025-03-28T04:33:32Z")
That is the clearest thing you’ve said all day. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214/60 "2025-03-28T05:07:43Z")
If I may interrupt the argument, and _briefly_ return to the Pitting, I do want to mention that @Jasmine did acknowledge that the post was inappropriate for a FQ thread after @Chronos noted the thread. Which brings us back to the Pitting. I see a common thread between the posters arguing here, and frankly, in the greater world. _Emotionally_ driven posts, and _legally_ driven posts. Not (to be extra clear) that either of these things is wrong precisely, but it’s apples and oranges. Emotionally, we the public may either by sympathetic to Luigi, due to a large amount of hate (often earned) at our for-profit health system, the slow working of the legal system, how better justice is available for a price, or any other number of issues. Alternately, emotion can drive disgust at Luigi for the (accused) cold blooded and premeditated murder of someone who had done him no _direct_ harm, the fact that others are treating him as a hero for it, or that the assumption that “justice” (however you choose to define it) -WON’T- be done. If you’re coming into the argument from a position of emotion, no, you’re not going to be happy with the _legally_ driven counters. I -get- it, I really do. I have lost track of how many times I have been _volcanically_ angry at miscarriages of justice, of how power and privilege have short-circuited attempts to hold certain persons responsible for their crimes, or just how people don’t care. It is maddening. BUT. That doesn’t mean that the legal principles being brought up by the posters in this thread are wrong. Or even unjust. The legal system, threadbare and corrupt as it is, was built around the Presumption of Innocence. It is NOT unique to the USA (despite some who claim that), but it isn’t universal either. It is _generally_ an assumption that _should_ protect the people from overreach of government, though that too has been largely eroded. Still, _especially_ considering the shit-storm of unitary executive actions, it is one worthy of respect and defense. So, let’s take a step back, do not discard or disregard your emotions if you chose not too. Similarly, do not further sabotage the ideal of the rule of law (tarnished through it is) in service of said emotion. We currently have little-to-no evidence that any sort of “fix” is in to get Luigi off, or to sentence him to an excessive (per US standards at least) punishment. IF, and I say IF, we see evidence of such, _that_ would be a better time to rise to this level of anger. We’re no where near that now (no matter how much it might frustrate the Pitee). Let us at least try to be _better_ than the mobs of the past, but not so trusting that we throw away our hopes of justice in search of false calm. Okay, I’ll return to my nice, perhaps overly Lawful Neutral corner (I own it), and stop moralizing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-jasmine-s-opinions-regarding-the-us-system-of-jurisprudence/1016214.md?page=4)