# User to avoid - lobley **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762 "2002-05-19T00:11:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/1 "2002-05-19T00:11:31Z")
Avoid me like the plague. I am an annoying sod, I am a complete shitface. I like to offend people. I am compulsive, weak, stupid, ignorant, a downright twat. pleeeeasse avoid me, If you avoid me for long enough I might get fed up with dirtying this haven for intelligent people with my stupidity. I shouldn’t be here. It turns out this is not a place for the ending of ignorance, it is in fact a place for clever people to make the ignorant people feel like they have shit in their head. and they succeed most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/2 "2002-05-19T00:12:54Z")
Damn, I failed to avoid you. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/3 "2002-05-19T00:14:01Z")
Oh, and can I make an appointment to see Dr Link please? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/4 "2002-05-19T00:23:21Z")
Dude, I have no fucking idea what your damage is, but get a fucking grip, OK? You open these annoying threads, then you open more threads berating yourself. What do you want–pity? Moral support? Tonguelashings? Dude, you are just phosphors on the screen, and you and I will never meet this side of the Bardo. If you’re looking to an Internet message board for emotional support/therapy, you are most definitely barking up the wrong motherfucking tree. Grow the fuck up, ya dink! ---
**Author:** ![Chez\_Guevara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@Chez\_Guevara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chez_Guevara)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/5 "2002-05-19T00:23:59Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **lobley** _ > > I am an annoying sod, I am a complete shitface. I like to offend people. I am compulsive, weak, stupid, ignorant, a downright twat. I wouldn’t say you were compulsive. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/6 "2002-05-19T00:25:21Z")
I believe [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=115895&perpage=50&pagenumber=2) is what he’s talking about. To be honest, although he has phrased it very poorly, I think he has a point. Patriotism isn’t the word he wants, Defensiveness or Jingoism are. “My country right or wrong” is a pretty pervasive attitude in the US. True patriots love their country enough to acknowledge it’s problems in the hope they can be corrected. That doesn’t make **lobley** any less of an ass, though. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/7 "2002-05-19T00:27:10Z")
> [@](#): > > It turns out this is not a place for the ending of ignorance, it is in fact a place for clever people to make the ignorant people feel like they have shit in their head. Actually, if one confines onself to the _factual_ fora (Comments on Cecil’s Columns, Comments on Staff Reports, and General Questions, as well as the actual columns by Cecil and the Staff Reports), one will notice that it _is_ a place fighting ignorance without resorting to condescension or insult (well, aside from Cecil’s personality). If, however, one chooses to expose one’s own opinions to the rigors of analysis in IMHO, Great Debates, or the BBQ PIT, one will, indeed, discover condescension and disdain if one’s arguments are weak or one’s information is poor. (MPSIMS and the Cafe will also expose one to dissent, although the nature differs, somewhat.) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/8 "2002-05-19T00:28:32Z")
> [@](#): > > “My country right or wrong” is a pretty pervasive attitude in the US. And is, of course, absent elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/9 "2002-05-19T00:29:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Dude, I have no fucking idea what your damage is, but get a fucking grip, OK? You open these annoying threads, then you open more threads berating yourself. What do you want–pity? Moral support? Tonguelashings? The only thing I want is to be able to never click “Straight dope message board” In my favourites ever again. don’t attempt to rationalize anything I have said in the past hour. I am not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/10 "2002-05-19T00:37:43Z")
:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Anamorphic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anamorphic/32/3057_2.png) [@Anamorphic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anamorphic)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/11 "2002-05-19T00:59:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > \*\* don’t attempt to rationalize anything I have said in the past hour. I am not worth it. \*\* Done, and done. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/12 "2002-05-19T01:02:34Z")
Just don’t start waxing eloquent about Englebert. ---
**Author:** ![LolaBaby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@LolaBaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaBaby)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/13 "2002-05-19T01:02:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > \*\* > > I am an annoying sod, I am a complete shitface. I like to offend people. I am compulsive, weak, stupid, ignorant, a downright twat. > pleeeeasse avoid me, If you avoid me for long enough I might get fed up with dirtying this haven for intelligent people with my stupidity. I shouldn’t be here. It turns out this is not a place for the ending of ignorance, it is in fact a place for clever people to make the ignorant people feel like they have shit in their head. and they succeed most of the time. \*\* Hey, I was wrong about you. You’re not _that_ dumb if you’ve realized **this** much. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/14 "2002-05-19T01:09:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\* And is, of course, absent elsewhere. \*\* I am sure it isn’t, I live in the US so that is where my experience lies. It does seem more _institutionalised_ here. Nixon’s enemies list, Ashcroft calling anyone who opposes his views a supporter of the terrorists. There seem to me to be more people here ready to question your patriotism than in other nations. I’ll even give **lobley** credit for mentioning one of the reasons- America is a young country; Europe has experienced the negative effects of jingoism, and I think Europeans may be more likely to distrust it. I’m just talking out of my ass here, trying to deal with what he _seemed_ to be saying (I doubt I could’ve phrased it more poorly myself. I haven’t been to Europe- but most Europeans I’ve met _don’t_ seem to be as quick to wrap themselves in their flag as some Americans are. Now let’s get back to calling **lobley** a toad-fucking ass wrench. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/15 "2002-05-19T01:15:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > \*\*Avoid me like the plague. > > I am an annoying sod, I am a complete shitface. I like to offend people. I am compulsive, weak, stupid, ignorant, a downright twat.\*\* Admitting you have a problem is the first step. The second step, of course, is doing something about it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/16 "2002-05-19T01:32:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > \*\*Avoid me like the plague. > > I am an annoying sod, I am a complete shitface. I like to offend people. I am compulsive, weak, stupid, ignorant, a downright twat. > pleeeeasse avoid me, If you avoid me for long enough I might get fed up with dirtying this haven for intelligent people with my stupidity. I shouldn’t be here. It turns out this is not a place for the ending of ignorance, it is in fact a place for clever people to make the ignorant people feel like they have shit in their head. and they succeed most of the time. \*\* Well with a title like that, you know no one is gonna avoid you. We’re not all that clever here, and you’re not that stupid, you know what a _sod_ is and I don’t. I take it it’s not a roll of grass? 🙂 This is my first time I’ve read anything by you, don’t feel so bad. Just take a little time before you post (and please don’t offend me). ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/17 "2002-05-19T01:46:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > \*\* > > The only thing I want is to be able to never click “Straight dope message board” In my favourites ever again. > don’t attempt to rationalize anything I have said in the past hour. I am not worth it. \*\* 'k dude. late. Out. Haj ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/18 "2002-05-19T02:06:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > I shouldn’t be here. It turns out this is not a place for the ending of ignorance, it is in fact a place for clever people to make the ignorant people feel like they have shit in their head. and they succeed most of the time. Sounds like your having a frustrating time of things, **lobley**. Don’t worry, we all have those. Might be worth remembering that this board is pretty accusatorial, rather than inquisitorial, in style – bit like the difference between a courtroom in England and one in, say, France or Germany. In other words, it can be damn brash. But that’s the way things here get thrashed out. It also encourages clear thinking (hopefully) and everyone is ultimately better informed. To be honest, I’d say your other thread was a bit of a dogs breakfast: It looked like you hadn’t thought through whatever you wanted to say and, because it read like an emotionally based criticism rather than, for example, a reasoned comparison of ‘national characteristics’ apropos patriotism, you got jumped on. FWIW, I’d encourage you to take it all on the chin: Apologise to those offended, have a think and then bounce back with better, more clearly thought through ideas. How about it ? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/19 "2002-05-19T02:09:36Z")
Get off your cross, somebody needs the wood. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2002, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762/20 "2002-05-19T02:12:16Z")
Bollocks ! Can I propose a small amendment to Gaudere’s Law ?: It is even more likely to apply in the wee small hours. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/user-to-avoid-lobley/109762.md?page=2)