### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/41 "2017-05-07T19:54:14Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> **Premise I** : 95%+ of theologians believe in God.
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> **Premise II** : Theologians are the experts on God.
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> **Conclusion** : The overwhelming majority of those who most understand God, believe in God. Therefor, it’s almost certain that God exists.
Me, using the exact same reasoning:
**Premise I** : 95%+ of 49ers fans believe the 49ers are the best franchise in NFL history.
**Premise II** : 49ers fans are the experts on the 49ers.
**Conclusion** : The overwhelming majority of those who most understand the 49ers, believe that the 49ers are the best NFL team ever. Therefor, it’s almost certain that they are.
Exact. Same. Logic.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/42 "2017-05-07T19:57:47Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> Give me something good.
You first.
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/43 "2017-05-07T20:01:27Z")
Premise I: Only a minority of Humans agree that the Christian God is the Creator.
Premise II: Reality is adequately explained without a supreme being that feels like micromanaging his universe.
Conclusion: The Christian God doesn’t exist.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/44 "2017-05-07T20:25:30Z")
Chimera, you are only supporting his nonsense. It is not as though he is going to look at your post and “realize” that his OP was silly. He is going to point to your post and exclaim “See! Someone else gets it!”
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### Author:  [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/45 "2017-05-07T20:38:14Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> \
> Exact. Same. Logic.
Except belief in god has nothing to do with logic. See the problem there?
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/46 "2017-05-07T20:47:09Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> Climate Change Alarmists:
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> **Premise I** : 97% of climate scientists accept climate change.
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> **Premise II** : Climate scientists are the experts on climate change.
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> **Conclusion** : The overwhelming majority of those who most understand climate change, accept climate change. Therefor, it’s almost certain that climate change is real.
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> Me, using the exact same reasoning:
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> **Premise I** : 95%+ of theologians believe in God.
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> **Premise II** : Theologians are the experts on God.
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> **Conclusion** : The overwhelming majority of those who most understand God, believe in God. Therefor, it’s almost certain that God exists.
>
> Exact. Same. Logic.
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> I look forward to the flimsy excuses you fine people come up with to explain why the “appeal to expert consensus” reasoning is valid with climate change, yet invalid with God. Give me something good.
That’s not how reasoning works.
Scientists don’t believe in climate change. They have evidence that climate change is real.
Theologians can’t make the equivalent claim. They may believe in God but they have no evidence to support that belief.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/47 "2017-05-07T20:51:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> That’s not how reasoning works.
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> Scientists don’t believe in climate change. They have evidence that climate change is real.
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> Theologians can’t make the equivalent claim. They may believe in God but they have no evidence to support that belief.
For example:
I don’t believe the OP is coming back to the thread to debate in good faith.
Let’s see if OP can provide evidence to support that belief.
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### Author:  [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/48 "2017-05-07T21:07:34Z")
So, per the OP, theologian climate deniers are thinking illogically.
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### Author:  [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/49 "2017-05-07T21:43:05Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#):
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> Okay, he tells you that the Japanese failed to please the gods, so they reorganized the world to diminish its import, until the Japanese please the gods again.
Interesting. But I haven’t changed my mind. I would’ve replied sooner but I was at church. 🙂 Just got home.
**Merneith** , thanks for your explanation.
> [@buddha\_david](#):
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> I’d like to hear more about the 5% of theologians who read the Bible, studied other evidence, and came to the conclusion that God does NOT exist.
I would find that interesting. I’m sure there are many out there.
> [@Kobal2](#):
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> I looked out this morning, and god was gone
> Turned on some science to start my day
> I lost myself in a familiar double blind, independently replicated study…
Good one. I love that album.
> [@outlierrn](#):
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> So, per the OP, theologian climate deniers are thinking illogically.
It’s more than a feeling.
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/50 "2017-05-07T21:49:41Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#):
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> I’d like to hear more about the 5% of theologians who read the Bible, studied other evidence, and came to the conclusion that God does NOT exist.
Wht do you want to know?
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### Author:  [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/51 "2017-05-07T21:59:58Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> Wht do you want to know?
Please describe your journey, from presumably a faithful believer to how you came to believe there is no God.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/52 "2017-05-07T22:02:05Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#):
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> I’d like to hear more about the 5% of theologians who read the Bible, studied other evidence, and came to the conclusion that God does NOT exist.
There’s Bart Ehrman. He’s a very prominent theologian on Christianity. He grew up as a fundamentalist Christian and went to bible college. But at some point he lost his faith and no longer believes in God. However, he still has all the knowledge so he’s an active theologian.
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### Author:  [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/53 "2017-05-07T22:57:44Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#):
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> I’d like to hear more about the 5% of theologians who read the Bible, studied other evidence, and came to the conclusion that God does NOT exist.
I vaguely remember an old quote from a pastor who said it’s hard to leave seminary school really believing in God, once you see how the divine sausage is made, so to speak.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/54 "2017-05-07T23:37:32Z")
Well, that might explain why 97%+ of atheists – wait, I may be doing this wrong.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/55 "2017-05-07T23:50:21Z")
> [@](#):
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> Quoth **Sage Rat** :
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> Science told us that we should stop praying for the sick and instead to wash our hands. Proper sanitation never appears once in the Bible as any form of recommendation by Yahweh, and yet we can spot the instant it became the norm by plotting the average life expectancy over history.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that the Bible does contain laws concerning the minimum distance the latrines must be from the camp, which would be reasonably good sanitation for a nomadic people. It’s not good enough for the needs of a city, but it’s not nothing.
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/56 "2017-05-08T00:03:15Z")
> [@Merneith](#):
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> I think what Bullitt was trying to say, is that the New Testament wasn’t created because the writers of the New Testament believed that the Old Testament “had proved itself wrong”.
I agree that Jesus, John the Baptist, etc. all of the religious leaders forming schisms at that time probably weren’t thinking (consciously) in those terms. But you’ll note that there was a time period there where a lot of new cults and beliefs were being generated, just as Mormonism was but one of several movements at that time.
Maybe there are always tons of possible cultist leaders out there, but they are only ever able to take hold when there’s massive disillusionment with the religion. Maybe these crises cause the creation of the leaders. I don’t really know. But it’s not random chance that certain moments in time cause a schisming of religion, and that’s because the veil has parted and the people need some excuses to cover the gap.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/57 "2017-05-08T00:04:38Z")
> [@glee](#):
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> P.S. In England and Wales 390,127 people (almost 0.8%) stated their religion as Jedi on their 2001 Census forms, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country.
> Feel the Force!
Lovin’ that.
> [@](#):
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> P.P.S. If there is a God, he would weep at the foolish arguments you are using to prove He exists.
Huh. It’s _raining_, as I read this post. :eek: oops
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### Author:  [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/58 "2017-05-08T00:06:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> Actually, I’m pretty sure that the Bible does contain laws concerning the minimum distance the latrines must be from the camp, which would be reasonably good sanitation for a nomadic people. It’s not good enough for the needs of a city, but it’s not nothing.
I don’t remember it, but sure. To state myself better, I would say that the Bible neither explains germ theory nor provides a road map for how to deal with it over the long term.
If the Bible is to insist on the viability of prophecy, then it should be fair to say that God should have been able to give doctrine for post-nomadic living, or given them the basic knowledge they would need to have solved it themselves.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/59 "2017-05-08T00:10:30Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> Wht do you want to know?
There are only 20 theologians?
Huh. I’d have thought there would have been more…
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [May 8, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/60 "2017-05-08T00:14:49Z")
> [@tomndebb](#):
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> **Chimera, you are only supporting his nonsense.** It is not as though he is going to look at your post and “realize” that his OP was silly. He is going to point to your post and exclaim “See! Someone else gets it!”
_emphasizing coding added by me **-kd99** _
Then, ISTM that, as a moderator of this forum, you’d have already taken the appropriate action with this thread…
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