# Using The Climate Alarmists' Logic To Prove God
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [May 7, 2017, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056 "2017-05-07T07:47:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/121 "2017-05-10T16:25:03Z")
Yrs, right. In this thread I did not, and can not, put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God exists. I do not think anyone can. I gave some information so that if anyone is seeking God, or is seeking to find out if there is a God, they can find that answer for themselves. Start with _The Case for Christ_, read the Bible, and find a good Bible study group where you can ask the tough questions and seek answers. For starters.
That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
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### Author:  [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/122 "2017-05-10T16:25:11Z")
Theologian - I believe it so it is true.
Scientist - It is true so I believe it.
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### Author:  [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/123 "2017-05-10T16:37:03Z")
“That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.”
Nor can anybody put together a bullet-proof argument that dimension-jumping, invisible aliens do not walk among us. Its just that there is no tangible, physical evidence of it. The fact that no one can prove god doesn’t exist in no way lends the slightest credence to your theory/belief that he/she/it does. Zero. Why even mention it?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/124 "2017-05-10T16:52:26Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> Any.
Nice diversion, but…no.
Please describe the particular god you want be to disprove. I’ll need to know what she/he/it is capable of, where she/he/it resides, a physical description(if possible), what claims have been made about what it has done-basically, everything you’ve got. If you want me to disprove _X_, you first have to tell me what _X_ is _first_.
It’s only fair, right?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/125 "2017-05-10T16:54:44Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
Just your god, or _any_ god? Do the same rules apply to Superman, Baba Yaga or Captain Carrot?
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/126 "2017-05-10T16:57:01Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> Yrs, right. In this thread I did not, and can not, put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God exists. I do not think anyone can. I gave some information so that if anyone is seeking God, or is seeking to find out if there is a God, they can find that answer for themselves. Start with _The Case for Christ_, read the Bible, and find a good Bible study group where you can ask the tough questions and seek answers. For starters.
Well, so much for starting something. Repeating a discredited source does not help your case.
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
Yes, but I also have found that what remains as evidence is not enough for you or others anyhow, again, what remains does not point to an specific or caring god. But that is not the issue here, can you reply to the last post I made?
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/127 "2017-05-10T17:25:20Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> Yrs, right. In this thread I did not, and can not, put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God exists. I do not think anyone can. I gave some information so that if anyone is seeking God, or is seeking to find out if there is a God, they can find that answer for themselves. Start with _The Case for Christ_, read the Bible, and find a good Bible study group where you can ask the tough questions and seek answers. For starters.
> That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
Read the Bible? I have, more than once. I found it wordy and poorly thought-out.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/128 "2017-05-10T17:46:00Z")
How can one look at the sun being carried across the sky and not believe in Apollo?
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### Author:  [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/129 "2017-05-10T18:27:58Z")
Obviously god exists, in the same sense as Lazarus Long, Œdipus Rex, Harry Potter and _i_ have existed. A concept is a thing. If we forget entirely about deities, characters or ideas, they will no longer exist.
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### Author:  [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/130 "2017-05-10T18:30:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> How can one look at the sun being carried across the sky and not believe in Apollo?
Sunna, son of Mundilfari, has no need of a chariot, he can run from Sköl until Ragnarök comes without such help, thank you very much, you unbeliever.
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### Author:  [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/131 "2017-05-10T21:15:33Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
Have a sip from [Russell’s teapot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot). I stand by my first post in this thread.
You can believe what you want; I won’t stop you, but if having faith disturbs the logical part of your brain, that’s your problem, not mine.
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### Author:  [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/132 "2017-05-10T23:51:48Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> _The Case for Christ_ mentioned this, IIRC, and said there are for more original copies of the Bible than there are of Homer’s works. Again, IIRC.
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> So again for anyone open to considering God and faith, I recommend seeing the movie, _The Case for Christ_.
What do you mean by original copies? IIRC the oldest fragments of the Bible are third or fourth century. Since it was written in the first century, there are no original copies.
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### Author:  [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/133 "2017-05-11T00:12:07Z")
> [@rsat3acr](#):
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> What do you mean by original copies? IIRC the oldest fragments of the Bible are third or fourth century. Since it was written in the first century, there are no original copies.
Technically, those might be described as manuscripts (source material), in much the same way as the jawist, deuteronomist, elohist and priestly sources were compiled together 5 or 6 centuries earlier to form what later came to be the OT.
Compilation of the christian bible seems to have been a rather lengthy process that basically started in the early first century CE. What constitutes an “original copy” is difficult to define. Really, there was no first printing; everything was a hand-scribed copy – which means there must have been no shortages of errors and inconsistencies between “original” bibles.
Then, of course, there is the apocrypha dispute. A catholic bible has different books than a protestant bible, so how does one assess what is an “original copy”.
The claim is unquestionably specious at best.
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### Author:  [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/134 "2017-05-11T00:21:51Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> You don’t have to be a scientist to see that Lake Mead is 30% the size it was fifty years ago.
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> You don’t have to be a scientist to see that snowfall in the Rockies has been consistently dropping.
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> You don’t have to be a scientist to see that the organizers of the Iditarod have had to move the starting point further north every year because it doesn’t snow where it used to anymore.
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> You don’t have to be a scientist to see that we’re breaking temperature records this year that were set _last year_, which broke the records set the year before that.
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> You don’t have to be a scientist to see that tropical storms are becoming more frequent and intense, that California is drying up, that the Arctic Ocean is suddenly navigable year-round, that flooding in coastal regions is becoming more frequent, that Antarctica is melting, that Pacific islands are _sinking_, that crops are being grown in climates that used to be too cold for them to flourish, that the migratory patterns of birds and whales are being thrown off.
So what the fuck do we need scientists for?
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/135 "2017-05-11T02:22:40Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#):
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> I’d like to hear more about the 5% of theologians who read the Bible, studied other evidence, and came to the conclusion that God does NOT exist.
They all go to the one-out-of-five dentists who don’t recommend sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum.
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### Author:  [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/136 "2017-05-11T03:56:21Z")
I cannot believe it.
Without reading the whole shit-storm of a thread, quoted a post and made almost the exact same joke as **Bryan Ekers** , directly above!
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### Author:  [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/137 "2017-05-11T04:04:05Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#):
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> I cannot believe it.
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> Without reading the whole shit-storm of a thread, quoted a post and made almost the exact same joke as **Bryan Ekers** , directly above!
It is really not a thread worth reading. Threadbare, you might say.
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### Author:  [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/138 "2017-05-11T19:50:56Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
A fair statement. Even Carl Sagan, a self-proclaimed agnostic, said that the existence of God could not be definitely proven or disproven.
However, the OP isn’t arguing whether or not God exists. He’s using faulty logic and woo tactics to attack climate change, which is a position most commonly taken by people who worship _ **money** _ over God. Most climate change deniers who claim to be Christian only profess their faith as a marketing gimmick, as well as a way to control the minds of real God-believers.
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/139 "2017-05-11T22:51:05Z")
> [@Bullitt](#):
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> . . . That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
Some versions of God are self-contradictory, and it is a reasonably bullet-proof logical argument that those versions do not (can not!) exist.
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### Author:  [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/using-the-climate-alarmists-logic-to-prove-god/786056/140 "2017-05-12T00:30:14Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#):
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> So what the fuck do we need scientists for?
Developing fractals that look cool on t-shirts.
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