Yrs, right. In this thread I did not, and can not, put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God exists. I do not think anyone can. I gave some information so that if anyone is seeking God, or is seeking to find out if there is a God, they can find that answer for themselves. Start with The Case for Christ, read the Bible, and find a good Bible study group where you can ask the tough questions and seek answers. For starters.
That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.
Theologian - I believe it so it is true.
Scientist - It is true so I believe it.
“That said, nobody can put together an exhaustive and bullet-proof argument that God does not exist. Nobody can.”
Nor can anybody put together a bullet-proof argument that dimension-jumping, invisible aliens do not walk among us. Its just that there is no tangible, physical evidence of it. The fact that no one can prove god doesn’t exist in no way lends the slightest credence to your theory/belief that he/she/it does. Zero. Why even mention it?
Nice diversion, but…no.
Please describe the particular god you want be to disprove. I’ll need to know what she/he/it is capable of, where she/he/it resides, a physical description(if possible), what claims have been made about what it has done-basically, everything you’ve got. If you want me to disprove X, you first have to tell me what X is first.
It’s only fair, right?
Just your god, or any god? Do the same rules apply to Superman, Baba Yaga or Captain Carrot?
Well, so much for starting something. Repeating a discredited source does not help your case.
Yes, but I also have found that what remains as evidence is not enough for you or others anyhow, again, what remains does not point to an specific or caring god. But that is not the issue here, can you reply to the last post I made?
Read the Bible? I have, more than once. I found it wordy and poorly thought-out.
How can one look at the sun being carried across the sky and not believe in Apollo?
Obviously god exists, in the same sense as Lazarus Long, Œdipus Rex, Harry Potter and i have existed. A concept is a thing. If we forget entirely about deities, characters or ideas, they will no longer exist.
Sunna, son of Mundilfari, has no need of a chariot, he can run from Sköl until Ragnarök comes without such help, thank you very much, you unbeliever.
Have a sip from Russell’s teapot. I stand by my first post in this thread.
You can believe what you want; I won’t stop you, but if having faith disturbs the logical part of your brain, that’s your problem, not mine.
What do you mean by original copies? IIRC the oldest fragments of the Bible are third or fourth century. Since it was written in the first century, there are no original copies.
Technically, those might be described as manuscripts (source material), in much the same way as the jawist, deuteronomist, elohist and priestly sources were compiled together 5 or 6 centuries earlier to form what later came to be the OT.
Compilation of the christian bible seems to have been a rather lengthy process that basically started in the early first century CE. What constitutes an “original copy” is difficult to define. Really, there was no first printing; everything was a hand-scribed copy – which means there must have been no shortages of errors and inconsistencies between “original” bibles.
Then, of course, there is the apocrypha dispute. A catholic bible has different books than a protestant bible, so how does one assess what is an “original copy”.
The claim is unquestionably specious at best.
So what the fuck do we need scientists for?
They all go to the one-out-of-five dentists who don’t recommend sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum.
I cannot believe it.
Without reading the whole shit-storm of a thread, quoted a post and made almost the exact same joke as Bryan Ekers, directly above!
It is really not a thread worth reading. Threadbare, you might say.
A fair statement. Even Carl Sagan, a self-proclaimed agnostic, said that the existence of God could not be definitely proven or disproven.
However, the OP isn’t arguing whether or not God exists. He’s using faulty logic and woo tactics to attack climate change, which is a position most commonly taken by people who worship money over God. Most climate change deniers who claim to be Christian only profess their faith as a marketing gimmick, as well as a way to control the minds of real God-believers.
Some versions of God are self-contradictory, and it is a reasonably bullet-proof logical argument that those versions do not (can not!) exist.
Developing fractals that look cool on t-shirts.