# USS Abraham Lincoln **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2026, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359 "2026-08-15T21:31:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/342 "2026-08-21T01:52:09Z")
Oh, if there’s an official list, that would be hard to fake. I assumed they just published a number. And sent someone to pay respects to the families of the deceased. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/343 "2026-08-21T02:10:32Z")
…or work for foreign PSYOPs or at a Moldavian troll farm. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/344 "2026-08-21T02:39:56Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > I’m going to be kind and not point out the flaw with this plan, because I really do agree with it in spirit. > > The flaw being that if they did that, they couldn’t protect ships going through the Straight? Apparently they can’t do that where they are, either, to judge from all of the folks saying that supply ships can’t get to the carrier. :sigh: We don’t homeport ships in San Francisco anymore. Haven’t for decades. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/345 "2026-08-21T03:26:08Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > :sigh: We don’t homeport ships in San Francisco anymore. Haven’t for decades. They have to swing by there to get the cake. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/346 "2026-08-21T03:37:33Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > We don’t homeport ships in San Francisco anymore. Haven’t for decades. I was living in Alameda in 1997 when they decommissioned the NAS. For me personally it was very selfishly good riddance, because man did I hate “run-up” jet engine testing. Fascinating to watch home values very briefly tank (I didn’t really have the assets or good sense to take advantage back then, mores the pity) then rebound with a fury. But I know a couple people that lost good-paying jobs in that period, mostly related to the Oakland Army Base. But it was quite the political football in SF Bay Area back in the late 1980’s-late 1990’s. A truly huge and historic military establishment pretty quickly divested to nothing as the Reagan-era military build up was “suddenly” massively downsized (as was appropriate in a very general sense IMHO). ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/347 "2026-08-21T07:43:47Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Then there’s his Trumpclass battleships. Hopefully these projects can be slow walked Designing and building a battleship is the very definition of a slow walk. Design on the _Iowa_-class BBs started in 1939. The four that were completed were laid down from September 1940 through January 1942 and mostly took three years from then to commissioning – _Wisconson_ was just over two. The two that weren’t completed, _Illinois_ and _Kentucky_, were both ordered in September 1940 but work on them started and stopped for a various reasons and the hull work was only partially completed by war’s end. One was broken up on the slipways and the other parted out to repair the other three. That was during a total war when every resource that could be found went into them. In the 28-odd months they won’t have the ships specs locked down yet, never mind seriously putting pen to paper, or today, stylus to CAD. The money wasted will be minimal compared to fixing his other vanity projects, never mind the billion dollars a day his sinkhole of a war is costing. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/348 "2026-08-21T08:04:46Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Why would they ship a cake? Wouldn’t they make cakes in country with ingredients that were shipped? It was a cake from mom at home. Since they were photographing V-mail letters onto 16mm microfilm, shipping that, then printing them for delivery makes it sound improbable ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/349 "2026-08-21T13:22:38Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > That was during a total war when every resource that could be found went into them. Well, not exactly. More like it was a total war when every resource that could be found went into building ships that might actually be useful. And as the war went on they increasingly realized these wouldn’t be, at least not relative to other shipbuilding projects, such as the more than a dozen _Essex_-class carriers they pumped out during the war (give or take, depending on where you set the boundaries for “pumped out” and “during the war”). To say nothing of light carriers, escort carriers, cruisers, destroyers, destroyer escorts, submarines, patrol boats, landing craft, oilers, transports, etc., etc., etc. That was the real reason the last of the battleships under construction stalled during the war, and then never made it into commission after: there just wasn’t a need for them anymore. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/350 "2026-08-21T13:27:26Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > We don’t homeport ships in San Francisco anymore. Haven’t for decades. No more looking around there for the “nuclear wessels.” ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/351 "2026-08-21T13:37:23Z")
Alas, no. But worry not: there is an Alameda Boulevard that just barely touches on Naval Air Station North Island, _which does_ still act as a homeport to nuclear powered aircraft carriers. So if they ever remake Star Trek IV… they can just film it there and use basically the same line. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/352 "2026-08-21T13:44:48Z")
Or still set it in 1986 like the original. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/353 "2026-08-21T13:47:46Z")
Because it still needs to be “the Enterprise!”. If they remake ST so badly that “these are the voyages of the John C Stennis” becomes the opening line, I’ll never watch it! ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/354 "2026-08-21T13:50:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Is there an officially-published list of the war dead? There is an official casualty list: > **[Defense Casualty Analysis System](https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/conflictCasualties/oefu/namesOfFallen)** Interestingly, the link doesn’t seem to be working at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/355 "2026-08-21T13:51:37Z")
Well CVN-80 will be ready around 2031. That will be the third Big “E”. I still really hate the fact **The Grey Ghost** was chopped up for [scrap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CV-6)#The_end_for_Enterprise). I’m very happy there will be another Enterprise. > [@What was the most important Navy Ship of all time?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-important-navy-ship-of-all-time/982250): > > I nominate The Big “E”, CV-6, The USS Enterprise. She served all of WWII. She was involved in every major battle but one in the Pacific. Bad weather delayed her return to Pearl from December 6th so she was not in port when the Japanese struck. She was near enough to launch Squadrons however and so participated even in Pearl Harbor. She escorted the Hornet on the “[Doolittle Raid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid)”. Was a major part of the great victory at Midway, though the Yorktown did at least as much in this battle before si… ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/356 "2026-08-21T14:07:40Z")
Sorry if this was mentioned upthread (I can’t read 350 posts,) but what was the original Trump/Navy plan for the _Lincoln_ before the sailors and family members made a huge outcry? Keep the carrier on station near Iran for 400, 500, 600 days without a port call? Forever? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/357 "2026-08-21T14:13:10Z")
Never announced, we have no idea what the plan was. Trump kept expecting this war he started to end, or at least pretending he expected it. So he couldn’t show weakness by talking about relieving the Lincoln. But the USS _Theodore Roosevelt_ (CVN-71) is due to deploy from San Diego next month, so the Navy at least probably expected to send the “Big Stick” to relieve the Lincoln. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/358 "2026-08-21T14:18:11Z")
When Trump was asked about the situation he stated that the sailors weren’t out there nearly long enough. So, clearly, as usual, no plan whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/359 "2026-08-21T14:19:40Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > But the USS _Theodore Roosevelt_ (CVN-71) is due to deploy from San Diego next month, so the Navy at least probably expected to send the “Big Stick” to relieve the Lincoln. Doesn’t a carrier need to fill the hole left when the Washington abandoned the China Sea? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/360 "2026-08-21T14:20:31Z")
I’m assuming the Navy/Trump is just gambling that no crisis will happen in East Asia while a carrier is gone. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2026, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-abraham-lincoln/1032359/361 "2026-08-21T14:22:35Z")
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