# USS John McCain Collision **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 21, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246 "2017-08-21T03:07:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/21 "2017-08-21T17:43:37Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > What technology specifically? Collision avoidance is primarily a matter of human judgment and control. Most ship collisions in shipping lanes becuase the parties at hand are either misinterpreting nautical right-of-way rules or because one of the vessels is having problems maintaining weigh and not communicating their distress. Collisions die to errors in navigation are still all too frequent despite GPS assistance because skippers overestimate their abilities or just aren’t paying attention. Every time you make something ‘foolproof’, the fools just take it as a new challenge. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/22 "2017-08-21T18:06:16Z")
The Chief of Navel Operations has ordered a operational pause and a special investigation. I think it’s a very good move. The Navy has to determine why these accidents are occuring and get the problem corrected. > **[After warship collision, Navy calls for review of incidents in the Pacific](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-warship-collision-navy-calls-for-review-of-incidents-in-the-pacific/)** > > Navy officials are calling for an "operational pause" and a deeper look into training of forces in the region after USS John McCain collision with tanker > [@](#): > > CNO Richardson said the review will include – but not be limited to – trends in operational tempo, performance, maintenance, equipment, and personnel. It will also focus on surface warfare training and career development, including tactical and navigational proficiency. > > The investigative team will be diverse, including people from across the Navy (both officer and enlisted), and experts from outside the Navy and the private sector. ---
**Author:** ![Buttercup\_Smith](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buttercup_smith/32/473_2.png) [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/23 "2017-08-21T22:13:23Z")
This saddens me again. Seems it should not be possible. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/24 "2017-08-21T23:01:05Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Most ship collisions in shipping lanes becuase the parties at hand are either misinterpreting nautical right-of-way rules or because one of the vessels is having problems maintaining weigh and not communicating their distress. No not the latter. This would be rare. > [@](#): > > Collisions die to errors in navigation are still all too frequent… Allisions, maybe, not collisions. Errors in navigation are where you don’t know your position, not errors in collision avoidance. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/25 "2017-08-21T23:36:33Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > [U.S. Destroyer Collides With Tanker Off Singapore; 10 Missing](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/navy-destroyer-uss-john-s-mccain-collides-merchant-ship-east-n794386) > > Another collision with a commercial vessel in a short period of time. After the first one I speculated that there was some hacking or tampering with navigation systems. Seems more likely now. McCain is a walking train wreck. It looks like it’s carrying over to the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Heracles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heracles/32/487_2.png) [@Heracles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heracles)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/26 "2017-08-22T00:32:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The Chief of Navel Operations has ordered a operational pause and a special investigation. I saw what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/27 "2017-08-22T00:41:06Z")
😃 Thought maybe I could slip that one in. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/28 "2017-08-22T00:51:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > McCain is a walking train wreck. It looks like it’s carrying over to the ship. Really respectful to the 10 missing sailors. Classy as usual, **Clothy.** :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/29 "2017-08-22T00:51:59Z")
Knock off the political jabs in this thread. No warning issued. > [@Clothahump](#): > > McCain is a walking train wreck. It looks like it’s carrying over to the ship. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/30 "2017-08-22T01:16:45Z")
Ten missing this time ☹ It is never a convenient time for an “operational pause” of the fleet ('cause you need to have it underway and at the ready, and especially so Aegis platforms in East Asia these days) but the accrual of three collisions within 4 months does call for a check on what’s up. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/31 "2017-08-22T01:23:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > McCain is a walking train wreck. It looks like it’s carrying over to the ship. Christ, you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/32 "2017-08-22T01:40:15Z")
[quote=“Princhester, post:24, topic:794246”] Allisions/QUOTE] One of my favorite nautical words. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/33 "2017-08-22T01:49:47Z")
CNN is has conflicting reports claiming a loss of steering on the McCain. > **['Some remains' of missing 10 sailors found after collision, admiral says |...](https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/uss-john-s-mccain-collision/index.html)** > > "Some remains" of 10 missing US sailors have been found after the collision between the US destroyer John S. McCain and an oil tanker near Singapore, US Navy Adm. Scott Swift said Tuesday. I’m surprised they haven’t recovered any of the ten missing men. They should have an accurate GPS for the accident. How far away could they drift before search planes got there? I know the chance for survivors is slim. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/34 "2017-08-22T01:50:38Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > > [@Princhester](#): > > > > Allisions > > One of my favorite nautical words. It’s actually not used much outside the US IME but I know this is a largely US message board so I thought I would throw it in… ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/35 "2017-08-22T01:52:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > McCain is a walking train wreck. It looks like it’s carrying over to the ship. How fucking dare you? Ten sailors’ remains will be sent back to their families in draped caskets (if they’re found at all) and you sit there in your political swill w/o a care for them or their families? Sacrifices are made in the US military for people who are fat, happy and ignorant of it, using those deaths only to hurt the political feelings of others when Gold Star families are living out their worst nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/36 "2017-08-22T01:52:44Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > CNN is has conflicting reports claiming a loss of steering on the McCain. > > [https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/21/politics/uss-john-s-mccain-collision/index.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/21/politics/uss-john-s-mccain-collision/index.html) Where’s the conflicting part? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/37 "2017-08-22T01:54:20Z")
Two different officials gave different stories. One says steering out. The other says they had fixed it. Which official should we believe? I’m assuming they both were talking off the record. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/38 "2017-08-22T01:56:49Z")
This is out of line in this forum. You cannot call someone an insult in MPSIMS. Use the Pit. > [@tnetennba](#): > > Christ, you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/39 "2017-08-22T02:01:14Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Two different officials gave different stories. > > One says steering out. The other says they had fixed it. > > Which official should we believe? > > I’m assuming they both were talking off the record. IME media have really tremendous difficulty with keeping the distinction between damage from before and after a marine incident. I’ve been involved in several where the media has reported that a ship was in a poor state and either implied or outright asserted that this was a cause or potential cause of the incident, when actually the ship was in a poor state _because_ of the incident. Too early to consider any information to be reliable, IME. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246/40 "2017-08-22T02:03:23Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Two different officials gave different stories. > > One says steering out. The other says they had fixed it. > > Which official should we believe? > > I’m assuming they both were talking off the record. Both said the steering went out before the collision. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uss-john-mccain-collision/794246.md?page=3)