# Utah county wants to split **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 10, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292 "2019-02-10T19:16:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/1 "2019-02-10T19:16:01Z")
They have only 14k people in 8000 square miles. The white folks not happy that Navajos now run the county. > **[Voting Rights Roundup: Whites might secede from Utah county after Navajo...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/8/1833358/-Voting-Rights-Roundup-Whites-might-secede-from-Utah-county-after-Navajo-majority-finally-wins-power)** > > Leading Off ● Utah : Harkening back to the tactics of white-flight segregationists, a Utah state representative has proposed that a heavily white region within Navajo-majority San Juan County ... ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/2 "2019-02-10T19:33:56Z")
“take their tax base with them” seems to be the chief concern of the liberals here. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/3 "2019-02-10T19:43:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “take their tax base with them” seems to be the chief concern of the liberals here. Which Liberals ? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/4 "2019-02-10T20:01:31Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “take their tax base with them” seems to be the chief concern of the liberals here. You’re the second post in the thread. What are you basing your belief of what the liberal here on going to say on? With quotes? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/5 "2019-02-10T20:13:11Z")
Oh, lordy, lordy - white folks afraid the Navajo will do to them what they’ve been doing to the Navajo for centuries… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/6 "2019-02-10T20:16:39Z")
If we can’t gerrymander, and Navajo backed candidates win elections then we’ll break off and form a white county of our own. Republicans really really hate when the voice of the people is heard, and they weren’t able to supress it this time. From the first paragraph of the OP’s linked article: “Harkening back to the tactics of white-flight segregationists, a Utah state representative [has proposed](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/7/1833088/-Utah-rep-wants-mostly-white-part-of-county-to-secede-from-mostly-Navajo-part-after-lost-election) that a heavily white region within Navajo-majority San Juan County secede and form its own county after Navajo-backed candidates for county offices [won historic majorities in 2018’s elections](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/10/1811638/-Voting-Rights-Roundup-N-Carolina-s-2018-elections-pave-the-way-for-striking-down-GOP-gerrymanders#16). That election outcome was the byproduct of a successful lawsuit that struck down the racially gerrymandered districts for county commission and school board that had enabled candidates backed by the white minority to maintain a stranglehold on local government for decades.​” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/7 "2019-02-10T20:21:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re the second post in the thread. What are you basing your belief of what the liberal here on going to say on? With quotes? HD lives in Utah I believe, so I assume that’s what he means by “here”. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/8 "2019-02-10T20:34:35Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > HD lives in Utah I believe, so I assume that’s what he means by “here”. So all 11 liberals in Utah managed to accomplish this? Wow, they must be wily strategists. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/9 "2019-02-10T20:51:11Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So all 11 liberals in Utah managed to accomplish this? Wow, they must be wily strategists. Accomplish what? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/10 "2019-02-10T21:24:11Z")
Look, I don’t know jack about this issue other than what I read in the OP and the link. But at first glance, it looks like apartheid has ended in one country in Utah… and the first reply is a criticism of liberals? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/11 "2019-02-10T21:38:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “take their tax base with them” seems to be the chief concern of the liberals here. it really would be horrible if our holy white race kept being kept down by having to share anything with those vile filthy mongrels [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/tdm8nIJ.jpeg "TRUMP 2016") ](https://imgur.com/gallery/tdm8nIJ) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/12 "2019-02-10T21:45:10Z")
Thank God we have HD here to 1. faithfully label people as “liberals” for us. Constantly. and 2. Tell us what they think! Hurrah! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/13 "2019-02-10T21:47:42Z")
Yeah, how dare those Native Americans come to our country that we created out of nothing on uninhabited land and think they’re allowed to have a say in it! They should all go back to where they came from. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/14 "2019-02-10T21:53:55Z")
The 21st century GOP credo: if we can’t win by playing the game following the rules, we’ll step outside the game to use the rules to effect a win. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/15 "2019-02-10T21:55:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “take their tax base with them” seems to be the chief concern of the liberals here. You don’t think it would be problematic if every well off neighborhood can just decide to be their own county? From the article: > [@](#): > > Normally, splitting an existing county would require supporters to gather signatures from one-quarter of residents in each portion of the proposed division. Voters in both sections of the proposed split would also have to approve the plan in a referendum. However, GOP state Rep. Kim Coleman has introduced a bill to drop the requirement that voters in both sections of the proposed division favor a plan to split the county. Does that sound like a good idea to you? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/16 "2019-02-10T22:01:31Z")
8,000 square miles is a lot for a county. The whole state of Massachusetts is less than that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/17 "2019-02-10T22:03:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > HD lives in Utah I believe, so I assume that’s what he means by “here”. This is correct. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/18 "2019-02-10T22:19:25Z")
**HD** ’s “_take their tax base with them_” was from the linked Kos article. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/19 "2019-02-10T22:28:45Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > 8,000 square miles is a lot for a county. The whole state of Massachusetts is less than that. Idaho County Idaho is 8500 sq mi; Harney County Oregon is 10000+ sq mi, as is Sweetwater County Wyoming; Nye County is over 18K, and San Bernardino is over 20K. There are some counties of immodest size in the West, which tend to be more land than people. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292/20 "2019-02-10T23:48:35Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Look, I don’t know jack about this issue other than what I read in the OP and the link. But at first glance, it looks like apartheid has ended in one country in Utah… and the first reply is a criticism of liberals? WTF? “Apartheid”? At least you were right about one thing: you don’t know jack about this issue. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/utah-county-wants-to-split/829292.md?page=2)