# Vaccine refuser data thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** factual, covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [January 2, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542 "2021-01-02T21:01:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/201 "2021-04-14T13:35:10Z")
Working from home today, and Word for Mac has Franklin Gothic Condensed Demi. I’m going to call it good. Here’s the result. [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/0ZjJYUJ.png?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/seV40Xo) ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/202 "2021-04-14T13:39:29Z")
The vaccine hesitancy of workers in UK care homes for the elderly has already been noted. Here’s a new development - it’s in this [BBC Live Reporting thread](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56743085), so I guess the content of the thread is subject to change, but here’s some current text: > Staff in care homes in England with elderly residents may be required to get a coronavirus vaccine, the government says. > > The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making Covid vaccination a condition of deployment for care home workers. > > The government says experts from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) advise 80% of staff and 90% of residents need to be vaccinated to provide a minimum level of protection against outbreaks. > > **Only 53% of older adult homes in England are currently meeting this threshold.** My bold. It’s a five week consultation period; what happens after that should be … interesting. I presume new legislation would be required to enforce this and enable care home managers to dismiss staff who still refused to vaccinate. j ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/203 "2021-04-14T14:00:35Z")
Nice!! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/204 "2021-04-14T14:01:45Z")
Thanks for the assist. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/205 "2021-04-14T14:09:14Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > I presume new legislation would be required to enforce this and enable care home managers to dismiss staff who still refused to vaccinate. At least in the US, the government oversight of care homes is so spotty that even if such legislation could be passed (fat chance), practically speaking in many areas of the country it would simply be unenforced. And since following the new law would obviously impose a hardship on care home owners they would therefore roundly ignore it. How would you compare these aspects of the problem to the situation in the UK? ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/206 "2021-04-14T14:24:05Z")
I think you have to take into account that compliance in the UK has been… well, excellent, really. At least compared to the vast majority of other countries - take a look at this > **[Covid vaccine: How many people are vaccinated in the UK?](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833)** > > A look at progress made in vaccinating the country, as more than 52 million people have received at least one dose and 38 million have had a booster or third dose. So when in comes to care home workers, we’re coming at this from a perspective of _If we did this, why can’t you?_ Most elderly persons have younger (but probably old enough to have been vaccinated) relatives who care about them, and have expectations about the level of care their older loved one receives. I think care homes will be under increasing pressure to comply, even if there is no legal threat hanging over them. New legislation gives relatives the ability to insist on compliance, I guess. j ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/207 "2021-04-14T14:32:33Z")
If anyone wants to tweet the meme, here it is: > ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/208 "2021-04-14T15:53:30Z")
I don’t understand this talk about vaccine refusers. No one I know, literally no one, is the least bit hesitant. We’ve all either had the shot already or want it ASAP. My social circle must be quite different from other people’s. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/209 "2021-04-14T16:02:59Z")
Maybe you don’t live in an area with a lot of White, male, Republican/Trump supporters, White evangelicals, people under 45, or a rural population? > **[Here Are The Groups Who Don’t Want A Vaccine—And Trump Voters Are Near Top](https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/03/11/here-are-the-groups-who-dont-want-a-vaccine-and-trump-voters-are-near-top/?sh=6f2d3bac4947)** > > Herd immunity will be difficult if such a large group refuses the vaccine. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/210 "2021-04-14T16:22:25Z")
True, I live in a suburb of San Francisco. Mostly Asians and Latinos here, at least 80% Democrats. But even all the people I know in Ohio and Texas want the vaccine. What they have in common: they are all highly educated. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/211 "2021-04-14T16:30:32Z")
My SIL is an x-ray lab tech, and she refuses to get vaccinated. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Maybe you don’t live in an area with a lot of White, male, Republican/Trump supporters, White evangelicals, people under 45, or a rural population? White, Republican/Trump supporter, … I am waiting for the hospital she works for to say that being vaccinated is a condition of employment. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/212 "2021-04-14T16:32:21Z")
It might come to that. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/213 "2021-04-15T00:33:35Z")
There are a couple of people in my extended family who are at least hesitant. They claim that it’s for safety reasons and I sort of believe them. They’ve heard from a friend of a friend that someone died from the vaccine and yet they ignore the daily reports of near 600k deaths. It astounds me. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/214 "2021-04-15T01:11:25Z")
There’s a woman at work who is so cool it’s crazy. Scubas, skydives and just took a leave of absence to do a gig making sure some fancy way backwoods cabin are stocked over the summer. She doesn’t like the blood clot news and figures she’s safe in the middle of nowhere until it all shakes out. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/215 "2021-04-15T01:46:43Z")
At the rate we’re going, COVID will be a significant issue for humanity for decades, if not centuries. I hope your cool friend did a really excellent job stocking her cabin. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/216 "2021-04-15T02:02:55Z")
Oh no doubt. She’s also former Navy. I didn’t argue with her but it was clear I wasn’t impressed. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/217 "2021-04-15T05:07:57Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > We do know FOR A FACT that a number of viruses, _which are asymptomatic in the mother, cause birth defects in the fetus._ Zika and rubella are two examples, but there are others, and a few suspect, but nothing proved. The current most common non-genetic cause of intellectual disabilities at birth is cytomegalovirus, which is usually asymptomatic in infected adults. It also causes hearing damage in many babies who were infected in the womb. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/218 "2021-04-15T07:05:13Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > The current most common non-genetic cause of intellectual disabilities at birth is cytomegalovirus, which is usually asymptomatic in infected adults. Which I didn’t mention in that post, but did mention in an earlier post about virusus and birth defects. Another thing about virusus and birth defects is that it’s usually an initial infection in pregnancy that is problematic. Some virusus that become latent in you once you are infected don’t harm fetuses, but can cause harm if you are infected for the first time while pregnant, I think CMV is like this. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/219 "2021-04-15T17:15:28Z")
One of my fellow engineers at work is refusing to get vaccinated. I haven’t heard a reason why; when asked, he just loudly states his intention to not get any vaccine and shuts down the conversation. The guy started out wearing a full respirator to work instead of just a face mask, but now he wears one of those flimsy plastic face shields. His wife is a nurse, and he’s carrying on like this. 🧐 I heard rumors earlier this year that he was sick with something; maybe he tested positive, and figures he’s immune now? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/220 "2021-04-15T19:31:55Z")
Either that or his wife is a total denier & she’s persuaded him. Or QAnon did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542.md?page=12)