# Vaccine refuser data thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** factual, covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [January 2, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542 "2021-01-02T21:01:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/141 "2021-02-24T20:16:21Z")
I certainly hope that starts happening. The alternative is COVID 10 years from now will be just as bad and widespread as it is today. We cannot kill this thing with less than damn near everyone cooperating by being vaccinated. “Conscientious objectors” need to be shot. With vaccine or with bullets; they get to choose. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/142 "2021-02-24T20:24:08Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Conscientious objectors” need to be shot. With vaccine or with bullets; they get to choose. I’ll go out on a limb and agree. A few, very few people may deserve a medical exemption, but truly independent physicians need to identify and confirm that exemption, unlike the ‘cuz I’m the parent and I say so’ school vax exemptions have worked out. One or two people in a hundred with genuine inability to be vaccinated is doable for our population. They then need to be educated and supported in rigorously using other mitigation systems to protect themselves _and_ the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![HughGoply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hughgoply/32/7834_2.png) [@HughGoply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HughGoply)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/143 "2021-02-24T20:28:20Z")
> [@furryman](#): > > I’m afraid employers are going to start demanding proof of of vaccination or they’ll fire you. Some already have. It’s great. Anti-vaxers should have lives destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/144 "2021-02-24T20:34:22Z")
This is getting debate-y. Don’t want to be guilty of junior modding here, but see post #119 for the intent of this thread. I do think the issues surrounding the implementation of vaccine passports are well worth debating. If someone wants to start a thread that, it I’ll be only to happy to join in. j ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/145 "2021-02-24T20:35:48Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > If someone wants to start a thread that, it I’ll be only to happy to join in. I will join in too. It is very tricky to stay on the factual straight and narrow at this pace. And I am happy to be gently reminded by others or mods if I stray, so call me up short if I get carried away. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/146 "2021-02-24T20:37:30Z")
Should I start it? j ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/147 "2021-02-24T20:38:00Z")
Yep, please do. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/148 "2021-02-24T20:43:52Z")
I certainly wouldn’t do that. Not until it is available to everyone, anyway. Or if they have a legitimate medical exemption. But, I’ve been spending tons of money on labor and resources this last year to keep things open while doing my best to prevent spread within my workplace. Once there is an alternative, then I’m not going to keep any employees that insist on continuing to be a risk to other employees, clients, or to myself. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/149 "2021-02-24T20:54:04Z")
To prevent this thread from being turning into a vaccine passport debate, I just created a separate thread: # [The Vaccine Passport - news and views](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-vaccine-passport-news-and-views/933668) [The Quarantine Zone](https://boards.straightdope.com/c/the-quarantine-zone/29) See you there. j ---
**Author:** ![SayTwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@SayTwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SayTwo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/150 "2021-02-24T21:45:28Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I certainly hope that starts happening. The alternative is COVID 10 years from now will be just as bad and widespread as it is today. We cannot kill this thing with less than damn near everyone cooperating by being vaccinated. “Conscientious objectors” need to be shot. With vaccine or with bullets; they get to choose. Geez, what is the deal with this? Is this some kind of code language that is just between friends, or does this guy really mean that objectors should be dealt with violently? And that’s not to mention the blatant misinformation that covid will be unchecked for ten years running without vaccines. This kind of stuff is just _not_ helping. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/151 "2021-02-24T21:51:30Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > “Conscientious objectors” need to be shot. With vaccine or with bullets; they get to choose. **Moderating** This is a bit over the top for this forum. Please do not advocate violence or killing people. This belongs in another forum. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2021, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/152 "2021-02-25T06:04:05Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > I have a friend who works for the state. Despite the fact that most of them are working from home and nobody is allowed into the building but masked workers (only 19 in a building that used to have over a hundred people working daily), everyone in her department was offered vaccinations because they are essential personal. Every person of color refused the vaccinations. Some black and hispanic people have allowed past abuses such as the Tuskegee syphilis experiment to influence their views about the Covid vaccine. ---
**Author:** ![paulmarkj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@paulmarkj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulmarkj)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/153 "2021-02-27T10:03:59Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > > [@paulmarkj](#): > > > > In December I sat in a meeting of 10 people, where 8 said they woudn’t get the vaccine. 80%!!! By end of Jan, all 10 had the vaccine. > > > > > Now, I believe this is to do with how survey questions are asked… > > First, thanks for your personal experience. It’s interesting and it adds to the emerging picture. Can I ask - was this in the US? This was in the UK. And I realise it is a personal experience only, but data about who will REALLY take it is hard to find. ---
**Author:** ![paulmarkj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@paulmarkj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulmarkj)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/154 "2021-02-27T10:18:44Z")
One person at work (London, UK) was asked to move to a different team becasue he was needed their. He objected saying he was BAME and we werren’t taking this into account. When asked if he had the vaccine he said ‘no, I am still doing my research’. We have followed every rule and every precaution, eg: bubbles, masks, distancing, no customers on site, staff shielding, no pressure on staff, accommodating staff, etc. We also test staff twice a week, but he refuses the test. This is his right, but he has to understand that we have a rights and duties relating to our work too. Such situations will be repeated countrywide (UK and USA) and will impact companies, economy, and work patterns of everyone. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/155 "2021-02-27T12:56:31Z")
NY Times: “ Younger Military Personnel Reject Vaccine, in Warning for Commanders and the Nation. About one-third of the troops have declined to take the vaccine. Many say they worry the vaccines are unsafe or were developed too quickly. Others want a sense of independence, even in uniform.” “…Roughly one-third of troops on active duty or in the National Guard have declined to take the vaccine, military officials recently told Congress. In some places, such as Fort Bragg, N.C., the nation’s largest military installation, acceptance rates are below 50 percent.” One (an emergency medical worker!) refusenik “added that some of her colleagues had told her they would rather separate from the military than take the vaccine should it become mandatory.” THESE are the selfish, suggestible morons who are supposedly in charge of “protecting” our country? (Sorry if that wording is better suited for the Pit.) ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/156 "2021-02-27T13:40:55Z")
> [@paulmarkj](#): > > …We also test staff twice a week, but he refuses the test… Well, I wasn’t expecting _test_ refusers. Is there any indication why he refuses the tests? Financial maybe - fear of being sent home if he tests positive? j ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/157 "2021-02-27T14:12:17Z")
> [@paulmarkj](#): > > He objected saying he was BAME and we werren’t taking this into account. BAME? > [@JKellyMap](#): > > Younger Military Personnel Reject Vaccine, Wow. When I was in the military, you could _not_ refuse a vaccine. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/158 "2021-02-27T14:16:44Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > BAME? A recent entrant in the World’s Most Horrible Acronym contest: Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic. Said Bame (rather than B - A - M - E). j ETA - I just thought of my own entry, just as bad: THEM - Tinted, Hispanic and Ethnic Minorities. ETA#2 - Just to be clear, ETA#1 was about my loathing of the exclusionary term BAME ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/159 "2021-02-27T14:28:06Z")
Note that BAME is a term in the UK, not elsewhere. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542/160 "2021-02-28T20:22:39Z")
Jackmannii posted this in the pit thread [Will Anti-vaccers take toe Covid-19 vaccine?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-anti-vaccers-take-the-covid-19-vaccine/920605/12) and I’m nicking it and reposting here. (Hats off to @Jackmannii for finding it, BTW). > **[Poll: Vaccine acceptance rising — except among Republicans](https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-covid-19-vaccine-acceptance-is-rising-except-among-republicans-003242019.html)** > > Over the past few months, all of the available data from clinical trials and real-world studies has shown the approved COVID-19 vaccines are safe and extremely effective. Yet a new survey found stubborn resistance to vaccination among one group in... It’s a survey, yes, and we prefer real vaccination numbers - but what a weird survey it is. It’s not my country, so I’ll refrain from further commentary. j [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vaccine-refuser-data-thread/929542.md?page=9)