Inclusion isn’t enough. Even suggesting that “people with vaginas” and “women” are groups that have any correlation makes you literally Hitler.
American idiocy is more like it.
This whole thing is odd to me. I’ve seen a performace of The Vagina Monologues once. It was in a very small theatre (basically an office) performed by a mix of crossdressers/drag queen/female impressionists/and transgendered people. It was riveting. A guy I had a crush on who (was an FTM transgendered person) stole it. And I only mention that he’s a guy, b/c listening to a guy talk about his vagina is odd and wonderful. My mother went to version (she swears it was Eve Ensler doing it, but I think she’s wrong b/c of timing) and after, she (my mom, not Eve) couldn’t stop saying the word ‘cunt’.
My Mom: “Cuuuuuuuunt! Say it with me ! It’s empowering!”
Me: “Mom, please god, stop. Please? Mom, we’re at Kroger’s. Please stop.”
She was in her mid-fifties at the time. “Mom, please stop saying ‘cunt’. Seriously please. Mom, stop.”
It was only 15 years ago that criticizing The Vagina Monologues was itself cause for a visit from the left-wing thought police: Georgetown Exorcised - WSJ (Not mentioned in the article was that the focus of the critique was the play’s unashamed celebration of the “good rape” of a 13-year-old by a 24-year-old). And now, supporting it is verboten. It’s funny how once you start down the path of some ideas, words, or art being inherently evil, it inevitably gets out of your control…
A lesson the right haven’t learned, to be sure.
Cock tales are next!
But we’re still allows to put on Talkin’ 'Bout 'Ginas, right?
That would be Puppetry of the Penis, which is less controversial though only slightly more silly.
Could it be possible that Mount Holyoke simply, understandably found doing VM year after year tedious, but feared being tarred for dropping it, so manufactured an excuse that strengthened their diversity cried instead of compromised it?
Yeah, THAT was a big WTF? back then.
PS. My ex did not find the word cunt particularly liberating. Then again she wasn’t the one saying it.
Keep licking those donuts, buddy.
Why don’t they just take the performance off-campus?
Anecdote: Some years ago (circa 1995 or so?), at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo: The Art Department had an on-going display of students’ art in a corridor at the cafeteria. One painting was a very abstract drawing that, the artist insisted, was a half of an avocado. (Once you were told that, if you stared long enough, you could maybe see an avocado there.) A female cafeteria student worker filed a complaint that it was offensive, because she saw female genitalia there. The Thought Police ordered the painting removed. Community-wide outrage ensued.
Epilogue: It so happened that the local community college had an elderly female librarian who was very avant-garde. Separately from her library work, she also ran a bistro downtown, of the old-style “artsy” sort where poets could come and read their work, that sort of thing. She put the painting on display there.
I saw this in a headline, but didn’t realize it was the same old story. I guess you have to rummage through old news to push the story that Political Correctness is ruining the country.
Anyways, if it has a “good rape” in it, THAT’S the reason it should be banned.
The “good rape” in question is a reminiscence of a woman’s first sexual encounter, when she was (iirc) 14, with an adult woman. It’s not a work of fiction - it’s a true story told to Ensler by the victim, who was by then an adult, and who viewed the experience as a positive event in her life.
It’s definitely one of the more troublesome pieces in the show, and Ensler’s been often attacked for ever including it in the show. On the other hand, it’s an authentic experience that a real woman had, and the point of The Vagina Monologues was to capture a wide range of experiences from women at different times and backgrounds. It’s also representative of the experiences of a lot of queer people. Should those experiences be erased because they conflict with our current sexual morality? I’m not sure i know the best answer to that. I do know that ignoring those stories because we don’t like what they represent would be the very definition of political correctness. Which is something that the people who complain the loudest about Ensler generally hate.
Yes, yes. When it’s a 24-year old man having sex with a sober 13-year girl it’s “sick” and “paedophilia” and “grounds for castration”, but when the participants are the same sex and the younger one is drunk it’s “empowering” and “discovering my true self”. :rolleyes:
In case you haven’t been keeping up, the people complaining about Ensler now are the never-able-to-be-satisfied trans activists.
As a queer person, I’d like to go on record as saying that having a sexual encounter with a 13-year-old as an adult has never been and will never be “representative of my experience” and anyone apologizing for this “good rape” by complaining about such repressive moral standards as “don’t have sex with children” is being disgusting.
The Vagina Dialogues is a ventriloquist act I would definitely go see.
And today the artist of that abstract drawing is known as Georgia O’Keeffe. And now you know the rest of the story.
You can, I hope, show where I have ever described sex between an adult and a minor as “empowering” or “discovering your true self.” If you cannot, I expect you to retract this slander.
Right up there with the woman who could *sing *from her diaphragm!
Wow. That’s the largest misrepresentation of posts I’ve seen this morning. Hell, Miller even added a crap ton of disclaimers about his ambivalent feelings on the subject, yet people read their own agenda into what he said. What grade exactly do they normally teach reading comprehension in and where in the world were all these folks that missed it?