# Valar Hiatus: The Game of Thrones offseason thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [June 5, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208 "2012-06-05T22:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/221 "2014-01-27T02:34:45Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Yeah, he’s still pretty pissed about that. Or would be pissed if he could piss. How does that work, anyway? Man, am I sorry I started this thought process. . … It’d look like this [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/A2FfRxJ.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/222 "2014-01-27T15:40:31Z")
I’m having the opposite problem with Baelish, because I’ve been watching Season 4 of _The Wire_ so I keep thinking that Baelish is not such a bad guy and really wants to do the right thing about all the crime in [del]Baltimore[/del] err, King’s Landing. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/223 "2014-01-27T22:57:09Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > It’d look like this [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/A2FfRxJ.gif) Oh, that’s priceless! 😃 (It’s a totally SFW link, by the way. Which makes it that much funnier.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/224 "2014-02-13T14:42:57Z")
Bad lip-reading of GOT: ["MEDIEVAL LAND FUN-TIME WORLD" EXTENDED TRAILER — A Bad Lip Reading of Game of Thrones - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ&list=RDhKNDml12Big) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/225 "2014-02-18T04:47:43Z")
Trailer for the next season - “Vengeance”: [- YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNaLQD60Y) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/226 "2014-02-25T22:32:45Z")
I just _have_ to point at [this teaser](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HrVIMqpLj0). They’re so devious and evil with this one 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/227 "2014-02-25T22:36:13Z")
I can’t for the life of me understand what he is saying. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/228 "2014-02-25T23:00:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I can’t for the life of me understand what he is saying. “Come for a last look?” ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/229 "2014-03-30T00:24:54Z")
Eight days left! I’m posting this here instead of starting a new thread. The titles for all the episodes have come out. [Here](http://i.imgur.com/MPS4lQJ.png) is the list: 1. Two Swords 2. The Lion and The Rose 3. Breaker of Chains 4. Oathkeeper 5. First of His Name 6. The Laws of Gods and Men 7. Mockingbird 8. The Mountain and The Viper 9. The Watchers on the Wall 10. The Children Wikipedia has a [list](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_Thrones_episodes) of writers and directors. George R.R. Martin is writing episode two. Episode nine will be directed by Neil Marshall, who also directed season two’s awesome Blackwater episode. Judging from Blackwater, he’s a very logical choice for episode nine this season. This season has more momentous events packed into it than any of the other seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/230 "2014-03-31T18:11:16Z")
Is it too late to discuss the last 3 series? It would be nice to clear up some things lest I spoil my enjoyment of the new series 🙂 The whole thing with Craster. What happened there was so inevitable, I don’t get it. Craster lets dozens of armed men, many former criminals, into his home full of food and women, far from civilization. Then sits there and taunts them. Yeah I know they’ve taken an oath, but bearing in mind the circumstances, and the cutthroat nature of this world and its inhabitants, it’s basically a suicide attempt. The fact that there has to be a penalty for desertion, already implies that the oath does not in itself result in 100% obedience. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/231 "2014-03-31T19:18:36Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Is it too late to discuss the last 3 series? It would be nice to clear up some things lest I spoil my enjoyment of the new series 🙂 > > The whole thing with Craster. > What happened there was so inevitable, I don’t get it. > Craster lets dozens of armed men, many former criminals, into his home full of food and women, far from civilization. Then sits there and taunts them. > > Yeah I know they’ve taken an oath, but bearing in mind the circumstances, and the cutthroat nature of this world and its inhabitants, it’s basically a suicide attempt. The fact that there has to be a penalty for desertion, already implies that the oath does not in itself result in 100% obedience. He’s a crazy old man who marries all his daughter, lives alone with them out in the wilderness, and has had the same relationship with the Night’s Watch for years and years now. I can easily imagine him getting a little more abusive each time he shelters them until finally the situation has reached the point of no return. The real world is full of people dying because of their own stupidity. He’s just one of many examples of the exact same thing in Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/232 "2014-03-31T19:21:20Z")
Are you saying that you wouldn’t trust a bunch of [del]rapists[/del] rapers and murderers in your house!? I’ll [del]wimp out[/del] be safe with a book spoiler tag even though I don’t think we’re doing that: In the book, several of them had been planning a mutiny for some time. It was supposed to go off earlier, then Others/White Walkers happened. At Craster’s it was more opportunistic. I don’t know if it was a good explanation, but maybe he just figured nobody’s tried anything before? TV: I _did not_ like that the guy who started the mutiny was a character (I don’t remember) seeing before. We see Rast being a jerk the whole time, but it’s this other guy (search suggests it in his hoarse voice. A search suggests he is “Karl” and first appeared S3E3, and only again so far in the next episode, but he definitely wasn’t there from the beginning like others. Also, I understand that they wanted to hide Ramsay, and were giving us as much info as everyone else in Westeros knows (assumed that Theon burned Winterfell), but that whole transition was 😕 especially since they took awhile to resolve it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/233 "2014-04-01T00:36:22Z")
Remind me, please: will this be the season where Joffrey is killed at his own wedding, and Littlefinger and Sansa end up in the Vale? ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/234 "2014-04-01T00:42:42Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Remind me, please: will this be the season where Joffrey is killed at his own wedding, and Littlefinger and Sansa end up in the Vale? Yes to the first, and probably to the second - this season should wrap up the third book and possibly start the fourth/fifth books. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/235 "2014-04-01T00:53:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Remind me, please: will this be the season where Joffrey is killed at his own wedding, and Littlefinger and Sansa end up in the Vale? Definitely yes to one and who knows with two. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/236 "2014-04-01T01:11:47Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Remind me, please: will this be the season where Joffrey is killed at his own wedding, and Littlefinger and Sansa end up in the Vale? My guess is yes on the second, due to new cast announcements, although that’s a partial guess as I don’t know as much about that plotline. Yes, absolutely yes, on the first one. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/237 "2014-04-01T02:27:03Z")
:: steeples fingers :: Excellent. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/238 "2014-04-01T02:43:49Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Remind me, please: will this be the season where Joffrey is killed at his own wedding, and Littlefinger and Sansa end up in the Vale? I tend to call the first thing there “karmatharsis”, because he has it coming and it feels SO good. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/239 "2014-04-01T03:45:14Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > He’s a crazy old man who marries all his daughter, lives alone with them out in the wilderness, and has had the same relationship with the Night’s Watch for years and years now. I can easily imagine him getting a little more abusive each time he shelters them until finally the situation has reached the point of no return. The real world is full of people dying because of their own stupidity. He’s just one of many examples of the exact same thing in Westeros. Well, his craziness seems quite specific, as in all other respects he’s a survivor. And he usually doesn’t let his guard down (e.g. when he realizes he’s being followed by jon snow). And it’s not just Craster, the lord commander walked into that situation blind. I don’t care how many times he’s been to Craster’s before, it seems out of character for him not to appreciate the risks of this many ill-disciplined guys in a confined space with weapons and plenty of incentive around them. Of course, I’m unlikely to convince someone to be irked by something that they didn’t find irksome when they watched it themselves. Just wanted to know if there was more specific reasoning for this state of affairs. IMO, the Wall and the Night’s Watch, while some of the most famous things about GoT, are the bits that make the least sense in the story. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/240 "2014-04-01T03:50:41Z")
I wonder if we might see in the first episode the capture of members of the Frey family by the brotherhood without banner. Book readers will understand what scene I’m thinking about and more importantly the interesting thing that is disclosded therein. It seems to me that each previous season began with a kind of introduction sequence. Am I mistaken? Then, could it be the introduction to season 4? I’m not sure when it happens in the books, but IIRC, it was also an introduction chapter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208.md?page=13)