# Valar Hiatus: The Game of Thrones offseason thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [June 5, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208 "2012-06-05T22:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/241 "2014-04-01T03:53:22Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > My guess is yes on the second, due to new cast announcements, although that’s a partial guess as I don’t know as much about that plotline. Yes, absolutely yes, on the first one. It seems to me that I noticed briefly in one of the trailers the female character **Elendil’s heir** mentioned in the place that he mentioned. Not really sure I got it right, though. Also, where did you find the complete cast for season 4? I couldn’t. Only 3 months, and it will be the end of season 4 and we’ll have one more year to wait ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/242 "2014-04-01T03:55:10Z")
\ I should add that I love the series, and the only reason bits like that stand out is because everything else is so well-written. It’s amazing how many surprises there can be in the story without them seeming “cheap”, or to not make sense in retrospect. Pretty much everything is consistent. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/243 "2014-04-01T04:04:04Z")
OK, I found the cast. So, it seems indeed obvious that what **Elendil’s heir** mentioned will take place. I noticed the absence of two characters I expected to see during this season and I wonder why : Tiwyn’s brother and Asha’s brother. I’m also unhappy with the recast of Daario Naharys. I know many people didn’t like the previous actor, but he had the required flamboyance. the new one seems dull for this character, frankly. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/244 "2014-04-01T04:09:53Z")
I noticed in the recast two people who could in fact be the missing characters I was wondering about (from look and age). Struan Rodger could be the first and Joseph Gatt the second. ETA : wrong on both counts after searching their name. Does anybody as a link to an up to date casting list? ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/245 "2014-04-01T04:13:34Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > It seems to me that I noticed briefly in one of the trailers the female character **Elendil’s heir** mentioned in the place that he mentioned. Not really sure I got it right, though. I got it, but that was confusing. Your name fits, half of it anyway. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Also, where did you find the complete cast for season 4? I couldn’t. Bits and pieces, some may have been speculative as it was several weeks ago. Many were actors hired, and speculation on their roles. [Wikipedia’s page](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_%28season_4%29). Note the characters in that area mentioned, half of them new. ---
**Author:** ![Alba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@Alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alba)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/246 "2014-04-01T10:24:42Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I noticed the absence of two characters I expected to see during this season and I wonder why : > > Tiwyn’s brother and Asha’s brother. I can’t remember the second. What does he do again in the book? or do you mean Theon? > [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m also unhappy with the recast of Daario Naharys. I know many people didn’t like the previous actor, but he had the required flamboyance. the new one seems dull for this character, frankly. ☹ I agree. I wonder if he can pull it off. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/247 "2014-04-01T17:17:59Z")
Have you guys seen the new Dario in other things? Where are you getting that he’s dull? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/248 "2014-04-01T18:36:01Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Well, his craziness seems quite specific, as in all other respects he’s a survivor. And he usually doesn’t let his guard down (e.g. when he realizes he’s being followed by jon snow). > > And it’s not just Craster, the lord commander walked into that situation blind. I don’t care how many times he’s been to Craster’s before, it seems out of character for him not to appreciate the risks of this many ill-disciplined guys in a confined space with weapons and plenty of incentive around them. > > Of course, I’m unlikely to convince someone to be irked by something that they didn’t find irksome when they watched it themselves. > Just wanted to know if there was more specific reasoning for this state of affairs. > > IMO, the Wall and the Night’s Watch, while some of the most famous things about GoT, are the bits that make the least sense in the story. The nightwatch who stayed with Craster the first time were an army under control, the ones who straggled back in were a bunch of desperate survivors. There was no reason to expect any trouble the first time, Craster is used to dealing with them and they both know that they have to take his shit and like it. He did not properly evaluate the situation the second time around, neither did the Lord Commander for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/249 "2014-04-01T18:48:52Z")
> [@Alba](#): > > I can’t remember the second. What does he do again in the book? > . Sorry, I meant her uncle, not her brother. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2014, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/250 "2014-04-02T03:40:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Have you guys seen the new Dario in other things? Where are you getting that he’s dull? He played Sonny, a (sometimes recovering) drug addict musician in **Treme** , in which he was excellent. Not at ALL a similar role to Dario, but hey, that’s why they call it acting. ---
**Author:** ![Alba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea666f/32.png) [@Alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alba)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2014, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/251 "2014-04-02T07:08:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Have you guys seen the new Dario in other things? Where are you getting that he’s dull? I’ve seen him in some Dutch shows a couple of years ago where he came across a bit like a wimp. However, last night I saw a picture of him as Daario and there he looked like he could do this. So some faith has been restored. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/252 "2014-04-02T14:00:09Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Sorry, I meant her uncle, not her brother. Don’t you mean nuncle? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/253 "2014-04-03T02:01:38Z")
> [@Alba](#): > > I’ve seen him in some Dutch shows a couple of years ago where he came across a bit like a wimp. However, last night I saw a picture of him as Daario and there he looked like he could do this. So some faith has been restored. I’m certainly willing to give him a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/254 "2014-06-27T18:31:12Z")
Thought I’d bump this thread, now that we’re back to midseason, yearning for a return to Westeros… ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/255 "2014-06-27T21:31:22Z")
Wasn’t there an oath of sorts, like the one the Night Watch recites as an oath? something like: The show has ended and now my wait begins… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/256 "2014-06-27T21:43:41Z")
> **[Night's Watch](https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Night's_Watch)** > > This page is about the military order. For the short, see: The Night's Watch The Night's Watch is a military order which holds and guards the Wall to keep the wildlings and White Walkers from crossing into the Seven Kingdoms. The order is a shadow of... “Summer arrives, and now my wait begins. It shall not end until the next season finally - finally! - starts. I shall read no book, watch no movie, learn no spoilers. I shall wear no wool and expect no Lady Stoneheart. I shall live and die in my easy chair. I am the fan on the Dope. I am the watcher in the living room. I am the nitpicker who ensures continuity. I pledge my attention and free time to _Game of Thrones_, for next season and all the seasons to come.” ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/257 "2014-06-27T22:01:07Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > [Night's Watch | Wiki of Westeros | Fandom](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night's_Watch) > > “Summer arrives, and now my wait begins. It shall not end until the next season finally - finally! - starts. I shall read no book, watch no movie, learn no spoilers. I shall wear no wool and expect no Lady Stoneheart. I shall live and die in my easy chair. I am the fan on the Dope. I am the watcher in the living room. I am the nitpicker who ensures continuity. I pledge my attention and free time to _Game of Thrones_, for next season and all the seasons to come.” Great!, thanks!. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/258 "2014-06-28T04:14:04Z")
Well I’m going to break my vows and join the free folk. I thought season 4 was pretty goofy in places, pretty trope-ish in others. I’ll probably watch at least the first couple of episodes of season 5, but for me I don’t care if it’s in 3 years+ time. Take your time, guys. And GRRM: remember what made your early books so popular. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/259 "2014-07-10T16:46:17Z")
GRRM has a special message for those of us who thinks he’s taking too damn long and may actually die before he finishes: [George R.R. Martin: Fuck You If You Think I Won't Finish the Series](http://gawker.com/george-r-r-martin-fuck-you-if-you-think-i-wont-finish-1602308837) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/260 "2014-07-10T16:47:55Z")
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