# Valar Hiatus: The Game of Thrones offseason thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [June 5, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208 "2012-06-05T22:13:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/621 "2017-09-18T17:25:54Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > GRRM wrote himself into a corner. He kept adding _more_ subplots, _more_ characters, _more_ travel scenes dispersing his increasing cast of characters all over Planetos. > > . I liked how at one point, Victarion, Griff, Tyrion, and Quentyn are all going to meet Dany. So he had Young Griff just say, “Nahhhhhhhh” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/622 "2017-09-27T15:06:29Z")
Kit Harington (Jon Snow) and Rose Leslie (Ygritte) are getting married: [Game of Thrones stars Kit Harington and Rose Leslie to wed - BBC News](http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41403658) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/623 "2017-09-28T02:16:37Z")
HBO is [spending](https://www.buzzfeed.com/crystalro/game-of-thrones-will-spend-15-million-an-episode-for-the?utm_term=.tmW88meZVL#.mkXggzX1V9) about $15,000,000 an episode for the finale season. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/624 "2017-09-28T02:22:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Kit Harington (Jon Snow) and Rose Leslie (Ygritte) are getting married: [Game of Thrones stars Kit Harington and Rose Leslie to wed](http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41403658) Oh, joy! A lifetime of “You know nothing, Kit Harrington!” to look forward to… ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/625 "2017-09-28T03:14:03Z")
Let’s hope they spend some of the money of good plotting, characterization and dialog, instead of nothing but battles and dragons and direwolves. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/626 "2017-09-28T06:49:11Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t see any chance that Martin finishes the series at all. COULD hit shelves in 2018? really? that would put the last book out some time around 2025, if the makes it that long. The show is the only conclusion we are going to get to this story and it’s basically fan fiction. I pretty much agree with all of this except I think that when Martin dies the series will be completed by another writer. There’s just too much money to be made from books 6 and 7 no matter how badly the show screws up the ending. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/627 "2017-09-28T07:54:50Z")
I’ve just been listening to the Order of the green hand youtube theory videos, and the asoiaf fan fiction could be so much better. Basically, not even Jon Snow’s parentage would be the same, and what is shown on the telly is just nothing like the books even in overall arc. 50 odd videos so far, and some are, erm, not even tinfoil, more “you picked that one line from the books and build a two video theory on that?”. However, it does a great job of showing how stupid and evil Catelyn is (basically she sent Ned knowingly to his death, and was pretty much responsible for Robs death and the rest), and Jon Snow’s parentage, and who the enemy is… The three eyed raven is an agent of the Others. He’s being controlled. The children of the forest are not on the livings side. Bran is being manipulated. Faceless men are also on the others side. The dead. And also came up with the only reasonable explanation for Bran’s assassination attempt. I mean reasonable, because while the show says it’s littlefinger, it doesn’t really make sense. Nor Joffrey, per se. Littlefinger is a powerful greenseer, which started after his weeks long coma after the Brandon duel. He remote wargs into people like Bran with Hodor. The catspaw was his agent, sent to deliver a message to Catelyn, but remote warging into Joffrey provided the catspaw with the dagger, and remote warging into the catspaw did the deed. In which case Littlefinger knows a LOT more than we previously thought ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/628 "2017-09-28T11:50:10Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I’ve just been listening to the Order of the green hand youtube theory videos, and the asoiaf fan fiction could be so much better. Basically, not even Jon Snow’s parentage would be the same, and what is shown on the telly is just nothing like the books even in overall arc. > > 50 odd videos so far, and some are, erm, not even tinfoil, more “you picked that one line from the books and build a two video theory on that?”. However, it does a great job of showing how stupid and evil Catelyn is (basically she sent Ned knowingly to his death, and was pretty much responsible for Robs death and the rest), and Jon Snow’s parentage, and who the enemy is… > > The three eyed raven is an agent of the Others. He’s being controlled. The children of the forest are not on the livings side. Bran is being manipulated. Faceless men are also on the others side. The dead. > > And also came up with the only reasonable explanation for Bran’s assassination attempt. I mean reasonable, because while the show says it’s littlefinger, it doesn’t really make sense. Nor Joffrey, per se. > > Littlefinger is a powerful greenseer, which started after his weeks long coma after the Brandon duel. He remote wargs into people like Bran with Hodor. The catspaw was his agent, sent to deliver a message to Catelyn, but remote warging into Joffrey provided the catspaw with the dagger, and remote warging into the catspaw did the deed. In which case Littlefinger knows a LOT more than we previously thought These remind me of a youtuber that had some theories about Coldhands being the real Big Bad of the series. Then, in the show, when the Night’s Watch is at Craster’s, he was completely convinced that Karl was Coldhands in disguise. I haven’t been involved in a lot of fandoms, but do most of them come up with so many batshit crazy theories? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/629 "2017-09-28T14:11:55Z")
Well, there are _Star Trek_ fans who think that Kirk is an undercover Klingon agent, and _Dr. Who_ fans who are convinced that the Daleks were designed and built by Leonardo da Vinci, and _Firefly_ fans who believe that Mal is actually a woman… ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/630 "2017-09-28T14:25:20Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > These remind me of a youtuber that had some theories about Coldhands being the real Big Bad of the series. Then, in the show, when the Night’s Watch is at Craster’s, he was completely convinced that Karl was Coldhands in disguise. > > I haven’t been involved in a lot of fandoms, but do most of them come up with so many batshit crazy theories? It’s amazing what they find to fill your time 6 years into a gap into the novels. But given a decent bunch of the plot points, pick and choose them, get together with a bunch of people who know about Planetos, give overview to a decent writer, and we might get a few decent books at the end, once GRRM pops his clogs leaving behind half a room of scribbles… ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/631 "2017-09-29T01:24:39Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > What I’ve been wondering lately, is if the cause of the delay is much sadder. Don’t think so. It’s just a combination of losing interest, writing himself into a corner, working on other projects, and being too busy making money. By the way, why do people keep putting their guesses about what is going to happen in spoiler tags? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/632 "2017-09-29T08:17:52Z")
> [@theR](#): > > By the way, why do people keep putting their guesses about what is going to happen in spoiler tags? I put information that I got from a long selection of youtube videos in spoiler tags, not particularly guesses, pretty reasonable deductions if you ignore the TV show. So it was spoilers for youtube theory videos, not the show or the books. And not guesses, I didn’t make them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/633 "2017-10-19T21:19:07Z")
The two Stark girls get matching tattoos: [Sophie Turner on matching tat with co-star Maisie Williams | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4997516/Sophie-Turner-matching-tat-star-Maisie-Williams.html) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/634 "2017-10-19T21:35:55Z")
I thought for sure this was going to be about [Sophie Tucker getting engaged to Joe Jonas.](https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/joe-jonas-sophie-turner-step-out-in-paris-after-engagement-pics-w509484/) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/635 "2017-10-19T22:44:53Z")
Nitpick: Sophie Turner. She’s a redhead, but she’s not the last of the red-hot mamas. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/636 "2017-10-19T22:52:41Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Nitpick: Sophie Turner. She’s a redhead, but she’s not the last of the red-hot mamas. All you white people look alike. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/637 "2017-10-19T22:55:15Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > All you white people look alike. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/638 "2017-10-20T18:32:11Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > All you white people look alike. Time for a visit to your eye doctor. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Sophie_Tucker_-_1930.jpg/220px-Sophie_Tucker_-_1930.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Sophie_Tucker_-_1930.jpg/220px-Sophie_Tucker_-_1930.jpg) [http://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/320x384/public/images/2017/08/083017-sophie-turner-lead.jpg?itok=8UF1woGg](http://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/320x384/public/images/2017/08/083017-sophie-turner-lead.jpg?itok=8UF1woGg) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/639 "2017-10-21T03:24:21Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Time for a visit to your eye doctor. > > [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Sophie\_Tucker\_-\_1930.jpg/220px-Sophie\_Tucker\_-\_1930.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Sophie_Tucker_-_1930.jpg/220px-Sophie_Tucker_-_1930.jpg) > [http://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/320x384/public/images/2017/08/083017-sophie-turner-lead.jpg?itok=8UF1woGg](http://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/320x384/public/images/2017/08/083017-sophie-turner-lead.jpg?itok=8UF1woGg) Heh. There actually is quite a resemblance. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208/640 "2017-10-21T04:20:06Z")
Uh… white women with hair, two eyes, a nose and a mouth? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/valar-hiatus-the-game-of-thrones-offseason-thread/624208.md?page=33)