# 'Values Voters': stick it to the poor, stick it to your enemies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943 "2017-10-15T16:14:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/21 "2017-10-16T20:26:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That’s certainly part of it. I think it can also be a shortcut way of saying “anti-secular” or “anti-Democrat”, but also “anti-Evolution”, “pro prayer in school”, and the list can go on. Yeah, I think you’re pretty darn accurate, there! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/22 "2017-10-16T21:32:41Z")
I’m pretty sure the only god Steve Bannon prays to is Bacchus at the porcelain altar, and is there any doubt whatsoever as to whom Donald Trump reveres above all else? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/23 "2017-10-16T23:50:49Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > but they are not sticking it to me and mine. It isn’t for a lack of trying. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/24 "2017-10-17T08:46:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I’ll take things Clinton would say for $100. I bet that sounded better in your head. > [@](#): > > Most liberals go through life thinking they do not plunder the downtrodden masses for their status. I’m here to change that. That explains all that straw you brought with you. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/25 "2017-10-17T11:27:10Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Occasionally, I hear social conservatives wonder why their opponents never seem to want to negotiate with them in good faith. This kind of stuff is why. Negotiating implicitly means you get something and I get something. White Christian Nationalists don’t want to give you anything; they want everything for themselves. What they don’t realize is that once “they” get everything they will continue to fight among each other over what they’ve taken from liberals and moderates. I see why some societies, like Japan and China (and France) just say ‘Fuck religion - don’t need you, don’t want you. Just shut the fuck up and pay your goddamn taxes’ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/26 "2017-10-17T11:31:16Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of course most of the liberal elite enrich themselves off of government. From the healthcare elite who profit from skyrocketing healthcare costs In typical conservative fashion, you’re just making shit up as you go along. “Healthcare elite”? I think this is the first time I’ve ever heard or read this term. Who the fuck are the “healthcare elite” exactly? Beyond being a figment of your imagination, that is. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > to the bureaucratic elite who would be worthless in a free market. What, you mean like the Department of Defense, the largest bureaucracy of them all? Aren’t you supposed to support the troops? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/27 "2017-10-17T11:38:11Z")
“The bureaucratic elite” may mean the mass of rent-seeking, bonus-self-paying parasites who run the health insurance companies. But who knows what he means. He may not know himself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/28 "2017-10-17T15:21:57Z")
No, bureaucracy is always gummint. The stern angels of free-market competition protect business efficiency. It is known. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/29 "2017-10-17T15:43:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > “Healthcare elite”? I think this is the first time I’ve ever heard or read this term. Who the fuck are the “healthcare elite” exactly? Beyond being a figment of your imagination, that is. Nurses and careworkers. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/30 "2017-10-17T15:45:43Z")
> [@Trancephalic](#): > > The Holy Bible is empirical fact You what ? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/31 "2017-10-17T15:50:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Who the fuck are the “healthcare elite” exactly? People who will still have health care once the Republicans are done destroying the rest? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/32 "2017-10-17T15:51:47Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Most liberals go through life thinking they do not plunder the downtrodden masses for their status. I’m here to change that. :dubious: Who was that tall dumb stranger??.. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/33 "2017-10-17T16:13:04Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > … is there any doubt whatsoever as to whom Donald Trump reveres above all else? The guy that made May-to-December relationships socially acceptable? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/34 "2017-10-17T16:16:15Z")
Originally Posted by Trancephalic View Post > [@Trancephalic](#): > > The Holy Bible is empirical fact > [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > You what ? Mark Twain once said, when asked if he believed the bible, “Believe it? Hell man, I’ve seen one” ---
**Author:** ![Trancephalic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trancephalic/32/380_2.png) [@Trancephalic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trancephalic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943/35 "2017-10-17T19:27:04Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > You what ? What? Did you stop reading my post there, or is this some grammatical thing? In either case, go kindly fuck yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/values-voters-stick-it-to-the-poor-stick-it-to-your-enemies/798943.md?page=1)