# Vancouver cut off from rest of Canada by road

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**Created:** [November 16, 2021, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433 "2021-11-16T05:24:52Z")\
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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/21 "2021-11-16T20:20:07Z")

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You know we live about 35 miles south of Vancouver, BC. My alarm is set to CBC 1. When it woke me on Thursday morning, I heard about the two slides trapping hundreds of people.

> [@Smapti](#):
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> South of the border, I-5 has also been blocked by landslides, so the international land route is cut off as well.

As I mentioned in the MMP, getting home to Birch Bay looks questionable. I think I see an alternate route on a Google map, so my fingers are crossed. (All of the usual alternate routes are closed, though it looks like one now has a single lane open.)

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**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/22 "2021-11-16T21:20:59Z")

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I wonder if you could go Vancouver - Nanaimo via ferry, drive up Vancouver Island, then Port Hardy - Prince Rupert via ferry…

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/23 "2021-11-16T21:39:00Z")

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I’m pretty sure that leaky condos are an eternal problem in Vancouver.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/24 "2021-11-16T22:01:21Z")

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Yes, but currently only 2 trips/week, Wednesday and Saturday.

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**Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/25 "2021-11-16T22:23:53Z")

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If you want to spend a couple of hundred dollars on covid tests, and can get the results fast enough, sure.

In normal times, there is the option of crossing the border, but it’s still comparatively difficult.

That said, Vancouver itself isn’t that bad. Lots of localized flooding and pooling water, but _most_ areas came through pretty well. My neighbourhood looks pretty normal today, and my commutes to work yesterday & today (across a pretty wide swatch of metro Vancouver) were fine.

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/26 "2021-11-17T01:49:12Z")

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Photo of badly flooded Abbotsford, BC (ha, ford, you could say that again):

![2,633 votes and 230 comments so far on Reddit](https://preview.redd.it/81391azjxzz71.jpg?auto=webp&s=448e5bf7cb976c77f982b925f52dcd02922a5bda)

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/27 "2021-11-17T01:57:47Z")

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We were talking about driving from Edmonton to Vancouver for a vacation next week, but instead decided to fly to Toronto for a week. Glad we didn’t make any Vancouver plans.

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/28 "2021-11-17T05:56:10Z")

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Rail (CN and CP) and pipeline (Enbridge (gas) and TransMountain (oil)) links to Vancouver now shut off.

One dead in the mudslides; searchers still looking for missing persons.

> **[Canada floods cut rail link to Vancouver port; one dead](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/rescuers-with-dogs-start-looking-victims-canada-landslides-2021-11-16/)**
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> Floods and landslides that have killed at least one person have cut all rail access to Canada's largest port in the city of Vancouver, a spokesperson for the port said on Tuesday.

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/29 "2021-11-17T22:52:54Z")

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Maybe this should go into GQ, but…

Where do I find the total rainfall from the recent storm (say, Thursday/Friday through Monday)?

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/30 "2021-11-17T22:54:29Z")

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There is a new BC ferry service, direct from Kamloops to Vancouver…

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/31 "2021-11-17T22:55:08Z")

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For what area? It really varied by location, even several km apart.

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/32 "2021-11-17T22:58:00Z")

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Whatcom County, Blaine, WA, Birch Bay, WA, Bellingham, WA…

Is there a site to look it up?

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/33 "2021-11-18T01:15:48Z")

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You can try the NWS. Their site is a bit tricky to move around, so I usually Google the type of search I want to do (say, rainfall by county and state) and then I can find what I want after some poking about.

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/34 "2021-11-18T01:34:21Z")

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Wow.

How many feet (or centimeters) above flood stage is that river, anyway?!?

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/35 "2021-11-18T01:42:33Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Where do I find the total rainfall from the recent storm (say, Thursday/Friday through Monday)?

Here’s the Environment Canada (the Canadian analog to the U.S. National Weather Service) site for Vancouver, and its day-by-day weather for the month to date.

It shows 19.9mm of rain for this past Saturday, 52.5mm for Sunday, and 47.8mm for Monday, for a three-day total of 120.2 mm (or 4.7 inches).

> **[Daily Data Report for January 2024 - Climate - Environment and Climate Change...](https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=51442)**
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> climate, past weather

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/36 "2021-11-18T01:45:26Z")

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Thanks. I was thinking we got about 5 inches (127 mm) here in Birch Bay.

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/37 "2021-11-18T01:46:46Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Whatcom County, Blaine, WA, Birch Bay, WA, Bellingham, WA…
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> Is there a site to look it up?

For U.S. locations, the National Weather Service’s [weather.gov](http://weather.gov) site lets you look up any location for its weather, though the “3-day history”, which includes rainfall, is only for bigger locations.

Here’s Bellingham’s 3-day history page; it shows about 4.5" from the storm there.

[https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=sew&sid=KBLI&num=72&raw=0](https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=sew&sid=KBLI&num=72&raw=0)

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/38 "2021-11-18T01:51:43Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> I was thinking we got about 5 inches (127 mm) here in Birch Bay.

Here’s the page that the NWS site serves up when I put in “Birch Bay WA” – it shows Ferndale:

[https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=48.9333&lon=-122.7263](https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=48.9333&lon=-122.7263)

Looking at the “precipitation since midnight” column on the three-day history page, it looks like 4.04 inches on Sunday, and 2.61 inches on Monday.

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/39 "2021-11-18T02:09:39Z")

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Here’s a link to an article in the National Post with a photo gallery:

> **[Photos: The catastrophic damage that severed B.C. from the rest of Canada](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/photos-the-catrastrophic-damage-that-severed-b-c-from-the-rest-of-canada)**
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> Critical highways may not be reopened until well into 2022

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vancouver-cut-off-from-rest-of-canada-by-road/954433/40 "2021-11-18T02:28:55Z")

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6 ⅔ inches. That’s more.

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