# Vatican: Nuns should spend less time on social justice.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349 "2012-04-20T01:42:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/41 "2012-04-20T21:45:21Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > As someone who has nothing but contempt for “social justice,” I wholeheartedly agree with the pope on this one. Oh, man, to see the look on the faces of the Leadrship Council of the Women Religious when they hear about this! It’s like, Yeah, take _that_, “Nuns”! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/42 "2012-04-20T22:10:51Z")
Those nuns should be more like [Mother Angelica](http://korrektivpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mother-angelica1.jpg) (the scariest religious personage I’ve ever seen on TV), who after 9/11 denounced: _"“pornography, abortion, child prostitution, the spread of drugs, the destruction of youth by an immoral media and the suppression of religious expression in public places as ‘other’ terrorism that must be addressed.” She condemned abortion saying it had “deprived the nation of millions of people who would otherwise be there to defend the nation.”_ > **[Mother Angelica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Angelica)** > > Mother Mary Angelica of the Annunciation PCPA (born Rita Antoinette Rizzo; April 20, 1923 – March 27, 2016), also known as Mother Angelica, was an American Roman Catholic nun of the Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration. She was best known for the television show Mother Angelica Live. She was the founder of the international broadcast cable television network Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN) and the radio network WEWN. EWTN became a voice for Catholics worldwide. > In 1981, Angelica started ... Now _that’s_ the kind of activism the Vatican wants to see, ladies! ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/43 "2012-04-20T22:40:20Z")
I don’t understand that abortion argument. Shouldn’t she also be decrying autoabortion (when the zygote fails to implant) and miscarriage as great natural disasters we need to warn against? Or worse still, abstinence and chastity? Edit: Oh yeah, Jesus wouldn’t have had long hair. There’s a passage in Corinthians saying it is a shame for a man to have long hair. I think the idea came because of a confusion between Nazarite and Nazarene, or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/44 "2012-04-20T22:52:23Z")
Is **Crafter\_Man** trying to be funny? I really can’t tell. How hard is it to get yourself excommunicated from the Catholic Church? I haven’t attended since 2002 or so, but I really don’t want to be associated with these jackasses anymore. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/45 "2012-04-20T23:01:28Z")
> [@Jeep's Phoenix](#): > > Is Crafter\_Man trying to be funny? I really can’t tell. If he is, it’d be inconsistent with his posting history. In the “Stupid Republican Ideas” thread, he said that federal government should steer clear of interfering with healthcare. He also made a thread claiming that public libraries are an anachronism and literacy should be left to the free market. Given that Beck has attacked social justice, it’s not surprising that others feel the same need. In fact, the current pope has been more sympathetic to Society of St. Pius X than the social justice crowd and the previous one was wary of the Sandinistas, so it’s not really all that heretical. Well, apart from being incompatible with the message of the Gospels, but they’re hardly a foundational document. Maybe if we could just graft Atlas Shrugged and the really vicious indictments of the Gospels together? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/46 "2012-04-20T23:08:27Z")
No, **Crafter\_Man** is totally serious. As for separating yourself from the RCC, just keep doing what you’re doing. One thing to their credit is that they don’t engage in stop-loss activities against individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/47 "2012-04-20T23:13:43Z")
Actually, he’d even be in conflict with the views of the Pope, because the Catholic church DOES indeed believe in social justice. (Of course, Papa Razi isn’t very keen on pushing it. But yeah, the church is pretty big on charity and working on helping those in need) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/48 "2012-04-20T23:58:52Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > How hard is it to get yourself excommunicated from the Catholic Church? I think if you perform or assist in a certain number of abortions, you get to move to the front of the line. It also might be necessary for you to be famous, though. Why waste a perfectly good excommunication on some nobody when there are plenty of John Kerrys out there!? ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/49 "2012-04-21T02:02:20Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > How hard is it to get yourself excommunicated from the Catholic Church? I haven’t attended since 2002 or so, but I really don’t want to be associated with these jackasses anymore. As usual, [Cecil has the answer.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1164/how-do-i-go-about-getting-excommunicated) How heretical do you want to be? Give your dog communion with a milk bone? Shout “Jesus is a poopyhead” during Mass? Or are you just going to quietly turn Protestant? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/50 "2012-04-21T02:15:04Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > As someone who has nothing but contempt for “social justice,” I wholeheartedly agree with the pope on this one. **Crafter\_Man** , who thinks A Christmas Carol was a tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/51 "2012-04-21T03:01:30Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > Maybe if we could just graft Atlas Shrugged and the really vicious indictments of the Gospels together? He answered and said unto them, He that has two coats, let him wear one and keep the other one in storage safely away from the grubby little paws of the parasites; and he that has food, let him gorge himself in front of starving poor people. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/52 "2012-04-21T05:07:00Z")
I’m shocked, SHOCKED to find that sexism is going on in in this establishment! ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/53 "2012-04-21T05:25:34Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > As usual, [Cecil has the answer.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1164/how-do-i-go-about-getting-excommunicated) > > How heretical do you want to be? Give your dog communion with a milk bone? Shout “Jesus is a poopyhead” during Mass? Or are you just going to quietly turn Protestant? Ooo, I want to give communion to a dog! The only problem there is that I never went through Confirmation…I can’t be a Eucharistic Minister. I was thinking a bit more extreme than Protestant…maybe Pastafarian or Subgenius. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/54 "2012-04-21T07:12:37Z")
Actually, Ratzi is being consistent. I just read that the biggest oppostition to the 1900 anti poverty laws in the Netherlands came from (wait for it) the church. Yes, they feared that a government program to help the starving underclass would lead to less church adherence. So even back then it was less social justice, more policing against the soul threatening evil du jour. The program of the RCC has always been consistent: souls, whatever that is, first, happiness second. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/55 "2012-04-21T07:53:42Z")
The LCWR’s immediate response to this news is how gobsmacked they feel at getting sucker-punched by The Man: [http://www.lcwr.org/media/lcwr-statement-presidency-cdf-doctrinal-assessment](http://www.lcwr.org/media/lcwr-statement-presidency-cdf-doctrinal-assessment) Their brief statement reads like they’re in a state of shock. Mind you, the Vatican goon squad going after them is the CDF, which actually is, literally, the Roman Inquisition. And they weren’t expecting it… ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/56 "2012-04-21T09:44:30Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > I don’t understand that abortion argument. Shouldn’t she also be decrying autoabortion (when the zygote fails to implant) and miscarriage as great natural disasters we need to warn against? Or worse still, abstinence and chastity? > > Edit: Oh yeah, Jesus wouldn’t have had long hair. There’s a passage in Corinthians saying it is a shame for a man to have long hair. I think the idea came because of a confusion between Nazarite and Nazarene, or something like that. Corinthians are letters of Paul. Do you really think that Jesus shared his notions on grooming? I can’t recall Chus ever saying anything about women making sure they do not distract people with their locks… ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/57 "2012-04-21T11:32:05Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > The LCWR’s immediate response to this news is how gobsmacked they feel at getting sucker-punched by The Man: [http://www.lcwr.org/media/lcwr-statement-presidency-cdf-doctrinal-assessment](http://www.lcwr.org/media/lcwr-statement-presidency-cdf-doctrinal-assessment) Their brief statement reads like they’re in a state of shock. Mind you, the Vatican goon squad going after them is the CDF, which actually is, literally, the Roman Inquisition. And they weren’t expecting it… I didn’t realize there was a Roman Inquisition. What are its chief weapons? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/58 "2012-04-21T12:38:40Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > I don’t understand that abortion argument. Shouldn’t she also be decrying autoabortion (when the zygote fails to implant) and miscarriage as great natural disasters we need to warn against? … You don’t get it. All these are God’s abortions, so they’re cool. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/59 "2012-04-21T15:19:54Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > You don’t get it. All these are God’s abortions, so they’re cool. Eh. They’re no better or worse than the “innocent” people God lets die in natural disasters ever day. They just happen to be “pre-born” people, in the eyes of the Church. And the Church has an easy out-- God’s actions are beyond our comprehension. That’s why they call it “faith”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349/60 "2012-04-21T15:27:19Z")
The nuns should be more like their [reasonable male counterparts.](http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/diocese-moves-to-clarify-bishops-controversial-remarks/2a8daf5a29df786e161e0b5a2d5193d9) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vatican-nuns-should-spend-less-time-on-social-justice/619349.md?page=4)