# VCO3's real problem with his neighbors: a shocking exposé! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2007, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306 "2007-10-28T03:17:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/81 "2007-10-29T00:08:26Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] That’s exactly what I’m saying. If someone in my complex looked like they could be engaging in dogfighting, I would not be starting a thread saying “Hey guys, these dudes are smoking pot in my complex. I don’t think they would share if I asked, and they’re stinking up the apartment. What should I do?” [/QUOTE] ohhh ok I see. I was a little slow on the pigeon coup thing. Not well versed in the dog fighting lingo. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/82 "2007-10-29T00:17:22Z")
[QUOTE=Sapo] So they fight chihuahuas and toy pomeranias? How do you train fight dogs with pigeon coops? [/QUOTE] Don’t ask me. I’m not the expert on thuggery here. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/83 "2007-10-29T00:22:12Z")
[QUOTE=Sapo] So they fight chihuahuas and toy pomeranias? [/QUOTE] They keep thim in pigeon coops on one of the upper floors, so they fight [this breed](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://keithdevens.com/images/weblog/beagle4rm.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2005/Mar/02/flying-dog&h=412&w=485&sz=26&tbnid=jm7nsidwX7gSFM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dflying%2Bdog%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1), obviously. The solution to **VCO3** ’s neighbor problem is simple. He should make them a big pot of [coffee](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=400295&highlight=black) and ask if they want to go [camping](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=439459&highlight=black). ---
**Author:** ![cynical313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cynical313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cynical313)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/84 "2007-10-29T00:52:17Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] ohhh ok I see. I was a little slow on the pigeon coup thing. Not well versed in the dog fighting lingo. [/QUOTE] pigeon coops have nothing to do with dog fighting. there just happened to be a dog in the picture **VC03** posted and then **fetus** made up some weird story to go along with it. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/85 "2007-10-29T00:54:21Z")
[QUOTE=cynical313] pigeon coops have nothing to do with dog fighting. there just happened to be a dog in the picture **VC03** posted and then **fetus** made up some weird story to go along with it. [/QUOTE] I didn’t make up any weird story. **VCO3** said that their having pigeon coops was evidence of their thuggish behavior. I didn’t know what that meant, knowing nothing about pigeon or dog training. When the picture he linked to showed dogs walking around the coops, I thought he meant the tenants were dogfighters. Don’t get pissed off at _me_ for **VCO3** giving the impression that pigeon coops were evidence of a thuggish criminal activity. If not, what the fuck were they in that list for? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/86 "2007-10-29T01:04:41Z")
The first time I heard of anyone who kept pigeons it was “Andy Capp”, and he was a wife beating drunk living on the dole. It’s generally a lower class hobby. I have no fucking clue why anyone jumped to the dog training idea. I also don’t know what is so darn suspicious of VCO3 not spelling out every reason why he didn’t want to confront his neighbors in his original IMHO thread. As a wild guess, maybe he didn’t want it to be another “VCO3& the Blacks” thread. If so, I guess that didn’t work out. ---
**Author:** ![cynical313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cynical313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cynical313)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/87 "2007-10-29T01:07:06Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] I didn’t make up any weird story. **VCO3** said that their having pigeon coops was evidence of their thuggish behavior. I didn’t know what that meant, knowing nothing about pigeon or dog training. When the picture he linked to showed dogs walking around the coops, I thought he meant the tenants were dogfighters. Don’t get pissed off at _me_ for **VCO3** giving the impression that pigeon coops were evidence of a thuggish criminal activity. If not, what the fuck were they in that list for? [/QUOTE] sorry, where I come from jumping to conclusions and putting words into someone’s mouth is considered making something up. **VCO3** said nothing about dog fighting. Keeping pigeons is just part of urban black culture in some places. Haven’t you ever seen _Friday_, or _Ghost Dog_, or _Training Day_. They didn’t just throw pigeons into those movies for no reason. Hell, I think Mike Tyson was well known for raising pigeons. ---
**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/88 "2007-10-29T01:07:26Z")
Did I miss something - where did it say there was dog fighting going on? If it is and the pigeon coop is somehow involved, how is it connected, isn’t a pigeon coop too small to hold dog fights in or am I being really dumb? ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/89 "2007-10-29T01:10:02Z")
[QUOTE=MelCthefirst] Did I miss something - where did it say there was dog fighting going on? If it is and the pigeon coop is somehow involved, how is it connected, isn’t a pigeon coop too small to hold dog fights in or am I being really dumb? [/QUOTE] I’ve already answered this enough times. I’ll go ahead and wait until you guys come down from the shrooms and demonstrate your ability to conduct a rational discussion that involves actually reading my posts. ---
**Author:** ![cynical313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cynical313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cynical313)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/90 "2007-10-29T01:11:28Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] I’ve already answered this enough times. I’ll go ahead and wait until you guys come down from the shrooms and demonstrate your ability to conduct a rational discussion that involves actually reading my posts. [/QUOTE] you mean the posts where you brought up dog fighting based on absolutely nothing? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/91 "2007-10-29T01:13:11Z")
How cute, we’re all on drugs. > [@fetus](#): > > Wouldn’t you call the cops if you suspected they were training dogs to fight, as VCO3 seems to imply with that “pigeon coop” stuff? He didn’t seem to imply. You simply inferred it because there were dogs in the picture he provided. Kind of a bizarre inference, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![cynical313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cynical313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cynical313)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/92 "2007-10-29T01:15:23Z")
apparently, in **fetus** ’ mind: dogs + black people = dogfighting ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/93 "2007-10-29T01:29:26Z")
Actually with a little poking around, I think I see why fetus jumped to a conclusion. The picture link has “training” and “dog” in the url. However, the website is about training bird dogs (for hunting) and one section is about using trained birds to train your dogs with. [www.uplandbirddog.com/training/pigeon.html](http://www.uplandbirddog.com/training/pigeon.html) ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/94 "2007-10-29T02:35:46Z")
So we are pitting fetus now? Pittings have become very complicated things of late. It is hard to keep track who we are supposed to dislike at any given moment. Oh, no. Wait. It is only cynical313 trying to push the idea that fetus is linking dogfights to black people. [QUOTE=fetus] They’re apparently used for training dogs, according to the picture VCO3 posted. \*\*The fact that they’re included in his list of “thuggish” activities suggest that \*\* they’re being used to train fighting dogs. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/95 "2007-10-29T02:42:00Z")
this is boring. I’m bored now. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/96 "2007-10-29T02:44:14Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] this is boring. I’m bored now. [/QUOTE] So go get those crayolas and spice this up. ---
**Author:** ![cynical313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cynical313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cynical313)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/97 "2007-10-29T02:53:13Z")
[QUOTE=Sapo] So we are pitting fetus now? Pittings have become very complicated things of late. It is hard to keep track who we are supposed to dislike at any given moment. Oh, no. Wait. It is only cynical313 trying to push the idea that fetus is linking dogfights to black people. [/QUOTE] yes, because I wasn’t being sarcastic or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/98 "2007-10-29T02:56:33Z")
[QUOTE=cynical313] yes, because I wasn’t being sarcastic or anything. [/QUOTE] Oh, “the I fucked up so I say whoosh” stratagem. Gotcha ya! ---
**Author:** ![cynical313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cynical313](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cynical313)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/99 "2007-10-29T03:00:11Z")
[QUOTE=Sapo] Oh, “the I fucked up so I say whoosh” stratagem. Gotcha ya! [/QUOTE] you could use the fact that in all my posts on the subject I only once said that fetus links black people and dogfighting. I would think that statement was ridiculous enough that you wouldn’t take it seriously. unless maybe you think dogfighting and being black are related. If so, that’s your business. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306/100 "2007-10-29T03:20:20Z")
[QUOTE=cynical313] sorry, where I come from jumping to conclusions and putting words into someone’s mouth is considered making something up. **VCO3** said nothing about dog fighting. Keeping pigeons is just part of urban black culture in some places. Haven’t you ever seen _Friday_, or _Ghost Dog_, or _Training Day_. They didn’t just throw pigeons into those movies for no reason. Hell, I think Mike Tyson was well known for raising pigeons. [/QUOTE] I really hate to do this, because I know we are pitting **fetus** now, and not **cynical313** , but as Black Myth Buster Woman, I must express shock that pigeon raising is a part of black culture. But since you qualified it with ‘in some places’, I am going to take this as an opportunity to do some research and see if this bears out. I am aware of Mike Tyson, and I don’t put much stock in Hollywood movies, but I am warning you, **cynical** ,…if I find out that pigeon raising isn’t, after all, a part of black culture, I will be starting a Pit thread about it, so you just _watch out_. ETA ; Well, I’ll be damned. According to my husband, it _is_ a part of black culture in some places. Ok. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vco3s-real-problem-with-his-neighbors-a-shocking-expose/424306.md?page=6)