# Vegetarian boxed lunch is a LIE! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 17, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259 "2003-07-17T23:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/61 "2003-07-18T06:10:57Z")
Okay, let me get this straight… The OP is arguing that, because people don’t know vegans from vegetarians, that all food made for non-meat eaters must be vegan, to cater to those people so they don’t get any eggs and cheese and such. Why? I mean, isn’t that just changing who gets inconvenienced, from the vegans to the vegetarians who WANT that stuff? Don’t the feelings of the cheese-loving vegetarians count? What’s the point of having the different labels in the first place if you blur the lines that way? And how many people really DO think that vegetarians are basically vegans? Some, I’m sure, but even _I_ have heard of the cheese and egg exception. Hell, I’ve even heard of the fish exception. ---
**Author:** ![Andy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@Andy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/62 "2003-07-18T06:14:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by prisoner6655321 \* > Anyway, they should assume that vegetarian means vegan because they weren’t specifically told that it didn’t. You should head over to GD. There’s always a need for more logical, critical thinkers like you over there. ---
**Author:** ![prisoner6655321](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@prisoner6655321](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/prisoner6655321)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/63 "2003-07-18T06:14:57Z")
GGGGG **whatami** , are you serious? Man I wrote a long explanation and correction and totally lost it. My own fault. Wasted an hour, which is too precious. It was great too. Really a nice piece of literature. You all would have changed your mind about me. Not the argument. That’s what it was all about. I hate when this happens. I’m gonna write them in txt documents first from now on. Well, let me say this. You are right. I am wrong. I can’t change my mind though. It’s just the way I feel. Happy? I feel it necessary to defend my honor though. I am not like this in RL at all. I hate those vegetarians that make life miserable for us too. I am definately NOT one of them. I make it a point to not force my beliefs on other people. If they ask me about my vegetarianism I will talk to them about it, but I don’t go blabbing about it. It usually takes a month or two for new employees and new friends to even find out I’m a veggie. And even if I eat out with them they might not guess. I don’t advertize it. I’m certainly not ashamed of it. Quite the contrary. But I don’t like being one of those vegetarians that makes life hard for other vegetarians. I only acted the way I did on this forum cause, well, it’s the pit for goodness sake. You’re supposed to act like a jerk here, right? But I didn’t act like a jerk to any of you, did I. I love SDMB members. You are all very bright, friendly (outside of the pit), well rounded people. My kind of people. I only wanted to blow off some steam. Sorry if I pissed all of you off. Really I am not an evil vegetarian. I didn’t blow my top when I saw the egg and mayo. Though I really wanted to. Even if it was my fault for not telling my co-worker for the 10th time that I don’t eat eggs and please don’t let them put ranch or mayo on the sandwhich. Maybe I should have blamed him, or the product rep. But I still think most of the responsibility belongs to the deli person. You think I’m wrong. I can’t disagree. But I was angry. That’s why I came here. Is that okay? Nuffsnuff. And sorry about this lame backpedal. The first one was much much better. I learned two lessons today. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/64 "2003-07-18T06:18:26Z")
So, now you’re a vegetarian? I thought you said you’re vegan? ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/65 "2003-07-18T06:25:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Leaper \* > \*\*Okay, let me get this straight… The OP is arguing that, because people don’t know vegans from vegetarians, that all food made for non-meat eaters must be vegan, to cater to those people so they don’t get any eggs and cheese and such. \*\* Actually no, not quite. It’s even stupider than that. The OP is apparently not, in fact, vegan. He/she eats dairy, but NOT EGGS!!! Got that? Cheese, okay. Eggs, HOW DARE YOU?!! And the food preparer was supposed to know this somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/66 "2003-07-18T06:46:00Z")
Ferrous: That’s hilarious. He’s whining about eggs being “sort of like killing,” but he eats cheese! IIRC, cheese has rennet in it & rennet’s _exactly_ like killing! ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/67 "2003-07-18T06:53:13Z")
I must have missed it. Where does the OP say that s/he eats cheese? The first post in the thread says “no dairy”. Anyway not to go against the grain, but I think that the original post does have something to say in its favour. Suppose I prepare a vegetarian sandwich. Why not skip the egg and dairy products altogether and make it vegan? I’m sure it’s possible to make a sandwich without mayonnaise or cheese that is very good. A vegetarian would be able to eat it and so would the vegan, thereby killing two birds with one stone (oops! wrong analogy.) Just because a sandwich is vegetarian doesn’t mean that it **must** contain eggs or cheese or mayonnaise. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/68 "2003-07-18T06:54:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elfbabe \* > \*\*Hmm. So if most people think that vegetarians don’t eat any animal products, then why do menu options labeled vegetarian so often contain CHEESE? Or EGGS? \*\* [hijack] At some Chinese and Korean restaurants that i’ve been to, the “vegetarian” section of the menu also contains considerable amounts of pork. e.g. Deep fried bean curd with vegetables and pork (and i’m talking real pork, not some fake TVP-type stuff) [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/69 "2003-07-18T06:59:12Z")
Monty, you may just have blown his fragile little mind. (Although there is a rennet-substitute curdling agent that is not animal based. You have to go out of your way for it though; it’s not commonly used. I bet his pizza had regular cheese on it.) ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/70 "2003-07-18T07:08:41Z")
Arnold, he says it here, in his second post in the thread: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by prisoner6655321 \* > **And I am not a Vegan, anyway. I am a lacto-vegetarian. I each cheese and drink milk but I do NOT eat eggs.** His reasoning, incidentally… > [@](#): > > \*\*And eggs ARE sort of like killing. No it’s not fertilized, but it is a pre-chicken. Milk is not a pre-cow. \*\* Although I don’t blame you for having skimmed over it. It was a very long and rambling post. ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/71 "2003-07-18T07:39:34Z")
Yup, reminds me of the people I’ve seen, going out to dinner with a group, to a pre-named restaurant, and then sitting at the table and whining and throwing a snit, because “There’s nothing I can eat here!” Used to cut them some slack, but ate vegetarian for 6 years, and, at first, would just make sure I’d eaten BEFORE I went to dinner with groups, so if I found nothing to eat, I’d be fine with a dinner salad. But, after a while I found that every restaurant I went to, either had something on the menu that was vege. OR, if I asked the server to ask the chief they’d whip something up for me, that, usually became the envy of the rest of the table. No longer have much truck with vegetarian folks who want their food preferences to be law or reasons for sympathy. Though I used to wonder who put the rule into the average cook’s book that a vegetarian Needed an avocado with their meal, if there wasn’t going to be meat in it???!? Y’all ever noticed that one? ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/72 "2003-07-18T08:21:53Z")
So, milk isn’t a pre-cow, while an egg is a pre-chicken, except it isn’t, but cheese is okay despite the number of bacteria… but fish are sometimes vegetables, and honey is… I just eat things and assume that, in one way or another, they’d be happy to do the same to me. Show me a cow who wouldn’t ethically eat grass that had been nourished by a human corpse and I’ll suspect you might have a point. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/73 "2003-07-18T10:03:54Z")
Just for the record, what the fuckity fuck _do_ you put in a vegan sandwich? Peppers and hummus? Any other suggestions? The **kabbes** is a vegetarian and sometimes I go vegan for a while (and cut out yeast and wheat too - match that if you can!). I’ve gotten pretty good at preparing imaginative vegan meals. And I tell you this: sandwiches are wonderfully versatile things, but only up to a point. Once you rule out meat, fish, eggs and cheese my imagination seriously begins to run out. pan ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/74 "2003-07-18T10:53:34Z")
It’s mans God given right, nay duty, to kill and eat animals. Do you really think a cow would think twice about eating you? ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/75 "2003-07-18T11:10:06Z")
Wow, I’m really close to using my one annual eye-roller smiley. ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/76 "2003-07-18T11:14:27Z")
Animals like being eaten, it’s their raison d’etre ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/77 "2003-07-18T11:20:11Z")
Well: 1. No they don’t. Don’t be a fucking dipshit. 2. It’s got nothing to do with this thread at all in any case. You’re just being childishly provocative for the sake of being an ass. 3. What’s it to you anyway what people eat, or do you just like being an obnoxious toad for the hell of it? pan ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/78 "2003-07-18T11:24:25Z")
well okay I’m sorry I didn’t mean to offen you:o ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/79 "2003-07-18T11:31:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > Just for the record, what the fuckity fuck _do_ you put in a vegan sandwich? Avocado, lettuce, tomato, pickles, nuts, some of those soy or nut-based “burgers” or a tofu dog, mustard, alfalfa sprouts, … When I was single, I sometimes would eat for dinner: two pieces of toast tofu spaghetti sauce as a sandwich. So there! ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2003, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259/80 "2003-07-18T11:48:46Z")
So there, nothing. This is useful information! Now let’s see: Avocado - I like it, the **kabbes** does not. Useful for me when on one of my don’t-eat-anything kicks though. lettuce, tomato, pickles, nuts, mustard: filler, no good for making a whole sandwich though some of those soy or nut-based “burgers” or a tofu dog: ah; no soy or tofu allowed on the killer detox either alfalfa sprouts: apparently popular in the US; I have no clue what they are. Erk. I’m still not getting anywhere. There’s still good ol’ hummus and pepper though. Always hummus and pepper. Sob. > [@](#): > > When I was single, I sometimes would eat for dinner: > two pieces of toast > tofu > spaghetti sauce > as a sandwich. So there! Good man. On a separate point: whenever I try to cook tofu it always turns into a squidgy mess that disintegrates in the pan. Not necessarily a problem in a spaghetti sauce, but a big problem in a stir fry. Does anyone know how I can avoid this? pan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vegetarian-boxed-lunch-is-a-lie/189259.md?page=5)