# Venture Brothers "The Invisible Hand of Fate"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [June 16, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125 "2008-06-16T17:08:14Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/41 "2008-06-17T21:03:14Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica]
I watched this one again last night and liked it more. It’s a really dense episode.
I’m still not clear on why Billy’s memory had to be wiped. Was it because the Guild, who had infiltrated OSI, wanted to cover his memory of Phantom Limb’s origin?
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I got the idea that it was because psyops still needed guinea pigs for their memory wipe program. I also got the idea that Brock didn’t give the OSI an opportunity to do it, so it’s still kind of a mystery who did.
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### Author:  [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/42 "2008-06-17T23:54:29Z")
[QUOTE=bouv]
Where did you see them?
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The guy who looks way too much like Hank to be a coincidence hands Brock a note in their base. The guy who looks way too much like Dean was apparently Phantom Limb’s first lab assistant (though the astounding similarity vanishes when he turns and reveals the half burned face).
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### Author:  [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/43 "2008-06-18T00:23:53Z")
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy]
The guy who looks way too much like Hank to be a coincidence hands Brock a note in their base.
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The dead giveaway is the kerchief he’s wearing.
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### Author:  [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/44 "2008-06-18T00:33:52Z")
Sounded a lot like Hank too.
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### Author:  [@Galena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galena)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/45 "2008-06-18T01:00:08Z")
You know, as my really astute husband pointed out, this was ALL just a Master Quizboy flashback/recovered memory/hallucination. Strictly speaking, none of it has to be even close to accurate, since it occurred after he hit his head and whose to say he’s remembering things correctly anyway…
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### Author:  [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/46 "2008-06-18T01:02:57Z")
[QUOTE=Galena]
You know, as my really astute husband pointed out, this was ALL just a Master Quizboy flashback/recovered memory/hallucination. Strictly speaking, none of it has to be even close to accurate, since it occurred after he hit his head and whose to say he’s remembering things correctly anyway…
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_The Nozzle_
says it’s correct.
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### Author:  [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/47 "2008-06-18T01:16:26Z")
You know, I’m surprised they didn’t think to put The Nozzle on the weekly T-shirt. I bet that would have sold much better.
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### Author:  [@Galena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galena)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/48 "2008-06-18T01:23:51Z")
Hey…does anyone know what’s going on with the first episode of the season on Adult Swim’s site? They’ve got all the scenes, but you can’t play it from start to finish like you can the others, and I don’t think the scenes are in order. I missed it and wanted to get caught back up.
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### Author:  [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/49 "2008-06-18T13:41:16Z")
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy]
The guy who looks way too much like Hank to be a coincidence hands Brock a note in their base. The guy who looks way too much like Dean was apparently Phantom Limb’s first lab assistant (though the astounding similarity vanishes when he turns and reveals the half burned face).
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I just checked on my iPod.
The Note Guy is blond and has a neckerchief. That’s about all I could see. Hank’s head is more round.
The good side of Stevie’s head is more rounded, less angular than Dean’s.
I still think they are the natural result of a union between Rusty and Myra. Dean got the brains, and Hank got the crazy.
I could be wrong, though.
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### Author:  [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/50 "2008-06-18T17:37:48Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica]
I watched this one again last night and liked it more. It’s a really dense episode.
I’m still not clear on why Billy’s memory had to be wiped. Was it because the Guild, who had infiltrated OSI, wanted to cover his memory of Phantom Limb’s origin?
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I’ve been thinking. Why would Dr. Venture actually look like he cares about Billy’s well being? The man is practically a socialpath.
Billy obviously has some use. Has his hand been recording for the last nineteen years?
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/51 "2008-06-18T18:35:37Z")
[QUOTE=Galena]
Hey…does anyone know what’s going on with the first episode of the season on Adult Swim’s site? They’ve got all the scenes, but you can’t play it from start to finish like you can the others, and I don’t think the scenes are in order. I missed it and wanted to get caught back up.
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Hmm…I can’t seem to find that episode on Adult Swim at this time. But I encountered the same problem with “The Doctor Is Sin”. If you start with scene 1
and choose “Continuous Play” at the bottom corner of the player, it should play all the scenes in order.
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### Author:  [@wolf\_in\_second\_hand\_clothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_in_second_hand_clothing)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/52 "2008-06-18T23:40:06Z")
[QUOTE=Maus Magill]
I just checked on my iPod.
The Note Guy is blond and has a neckerchief. That’s about all I could see. Hank’s head is more round.
The good side of Stevie’s head is more rounded, less angular than Dean’s.
I still think they are the natural result of a union between Rusty and Myra. Dean got the brains, and Hank got the crazy.
I could be wrong, though.
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Yeah, I think the resemblance between the Venture Bros and these random one shot (probably) characters is simply that this is a cartoon and every once in a while two characters are going to be drawn similarly. In the commentary for “Tag Sale: You’re It!” Jackson and Doc are joking about how one of the agents looks like Hank.
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2008, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/53 "2008-06-18T23:52:08Z")
[QUOTE=cochrane]
Hmm…I can’t seem to find that episode on Adult Swim at this time. But I encountered the same problem with “The Doctor Is Sin”. If you start with scene 1
and choose “Continuous Play” at the bottom corner of the player, it should play all the scenes in order.
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How can you tell which one is scene one?
Marc
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### Author:  [@Galena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galena)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/54 "2008-06-19T01:40:05Z")
sorry…double post…
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### Author:  [@Galena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galena)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/55 "2008-06-19T01:40:25Z")
[QUOTE=MGibson]
How can you tell which one is scene one?
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Yeah, my problem exactly. I’m about ready to say screw it and pay the $1.99 on iTunes!
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/56 "2008-06-19T08:08:23Z")
[QUOTE=MGibson]
How can you tell which one is scene one?
Marc
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I clicked on all of them until I got the one that seemed to be the start of the episode. Sorry, but that’s basically what you need to do. Then choose “Continuous Play” and the player will sort out the rest of the scenes.
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2008, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/57 "2008-06-19T12:35:14Z")
[QUOTE=cochrane]
I clicked on all of them until I got the one that seemed to be the start of the episode. Sorry, but that’s basically what you need to do. Then choose “Continuous Play” and the player will sort out the rest of the scenes.
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I tried that but the next scene didn’t fit into the continuity. I’ll just have to wait until it’s aired again I suppose.
Marc
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/58 "2008-06-21T04:53:12Z")
[QUOTE=Maus Magill]
I just checked on my iPod.
The Note Guy is blond and has a neckerchief. That’s about all I could see. Hank’s head is more round.
The good side of Stevie’s head is more rounded, less angular than Dean’s.
I still think they are the natural result of a union between Rusty and Myra. Dean got the brains, and Hank got the crazy.
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I think Dean is. I also think Hank is the natural son of Brock.
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### Author:  [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2008, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/59 "2008-06-21T05:35:13Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99]
I think Dean is. I also think Hank is the natural son of Brock.
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It’s certainly possible, but we see HELPeR holding both kids as OSI takes Myra away. At the time of conception Brock would have still been galavanting around with Hunter after the Guild – we have no reason to believe that Brock would have had any relationship with Rusty before the bodyguard assignment.
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### Author:  [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2008, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/venture-brothers-the-invisible-hand-of-fate/453125/60 "2008-06-21T05:36:44Z")
He knew Brock, though. Brock had been his roommate when he was in college, and he was the one who told Rusty that his dad had died.
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