# Veronica Mars 1/23: "Show Me The Monkey" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 23, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164 "2007-01-23T22:30:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/21 "2007-01-25T17:26:56Z")
[QUOTE=BobT] He made her strip her clothes off and then hid them and likely terrorized her in some way to keep her from going after him. I can’t imagine that she would have liked that. [/QUOTE] No. But it’s nothing close to a violent sexual assault. And the “likely terrorized her” is pure speculation on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/22 "2007-01-25T17:36:50Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver] No. But it’s nothing close to a violent sexual assault. And the “likely terrorized her” is pure speculation on your part. [/QUOTE] While it’s true we don’t know _exactly_ what Beaver did to her in that hotel room, when she was found Mac was sobbing uncontrollably and was obviously severely emotionally tramuatized. I don’t have any problem with her taking several months to be able to trust any man well enough to have physical interest in them. Nor do I think it’s particularly helpful to categorize trauma. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/23 "2007-01-25T17:52:29Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] While it’s true we don’t know _exactly_ what Beaver did to her in that hotel room, when she was found Mac was sobbing uncontrollably and was obviously severely emotionally tramuatized. I don’t have any problem with her taking several months to be able to trust any man well enough to have physical interest in them. Nor do I think it’s particularly helpful to categorize trauma. [/QUOTE] True. I’d forgotten the mental state in which she was found. I have the DVDs; maybe I should re-watch that ep. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_A_Tame_Lion)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/24 "2007-01-25T18:27:58Z")
Getting back to the really important stuff… I forgot to mention yesterday: Dick taking snapshots of his crotch and flinging them off the balcony was priceless. I also loved the line about PHAT-boy being a “vegan JFK looking for his Mackie-O.” I am wondering, given Kristen Bell’s vegetarianism, was this episode’s storyline at least partly influenced by that? Does she have any such clout with the producers? Don’t know if she does; I’m just speculating. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/25 "2007-01-25T20:15:56Z")
Based on what I’ve read about VM and its creators KB probably doesn’t need all that much “clout.” She could probably suggest story ideas without having to push anyone for them. ---
**Author:** ![jdavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@jdavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jdavis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/26 "2007-01-25T21:58:39Z")
Testing thread subscription e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/27 "2007-01-25T22:01:16Z")
On the VM podcast, the writers on the show said they were inspired to write the show more because one of the cast members owns a monkey. They got the same monkey that played Marcel on “Friends”. She is supposedly the top monkey in Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/28 "2007-01-25T22:24:37Z")
The monkey was definitely a charmer. I sympathize with both the monkeys and the researchers. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/29 "2007-01-25T23:02:09Z")
[QUOTE=BobT] They got the same monkey that played Marcel on “Friends”. She is supposedly the top monkey in Hollywood. [/QUOTE] New reality series. (Somebody had to say it.) America’s Next Top Monkey! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/30 "2007-01-25T23:33:51Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver] True. I’d forgotten the mental state in which she was found. I have the DVDs; maybe I should re-watch that ep. [/QUOTE] My thought was that he stole her clothes while she was in the shower and she, after coming back into the room, was emotionally devestated because he was gone (with her clothes). I just assumed she was distraught from the apparent rejection and possible practical joke. I didn’t think he did anything physically bad to her, but eh, I could be wrong. And, am I the only one who thinks Piz needs to go? Personally, I think he’s less entertaining and less suited for our heroic main character than Captain Cardboard (Riley) was for Buffy. True, Piz hasn’t yet had his chance for Veronica, but a relationship between those two would be lopsided; she’d be interesting, and he’d be a bore. Even as an occasional sidekick he’s pretty humdrum. I like Logan, but I like him more as a lunatic friend; I think it’s time for a newer, more interesting, non-Logan beau for Ms. Mars. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/31 "2007-01-31T00:42:52Z")
[QUOTE=BobT] They got the same monkey that played Marcel on “Friends”. [/QUOTE] Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Amok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@Amok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amok)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164/32 "2007-01-31T21:37:59Z")
It’s mentioned on the audio podcast the writers did for the episode: > **[Veronica Mars - Show Me the Monkey Audio Podcast](https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/veronicamars/episodes/2007-01-23T21_32_27-08_00)** > > Join writers John Enbom and Robby Hull, as well as editor Dan Gabbe as they give you the real story on episode 310. The guys have plenty to say on Oscar the monkey, Veronica and Logan, and Dean O'Dell's death. Oh, and stay tuned to the end for some... And my take on what happened between Beaver and Mac is the same as **SkipMagic’s**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veronica-mars-1-23-show-me-the-monkey-spoilers/389164.md?page=1)