# Very Lame R.O. re: Obama Impeachment Merchandise & Sites **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308 "2009-01-27T23:51:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/21 "2009-01-28T03:01:34Z")
> [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > This is The Pit, so I can admit to being really ticked off at this comment. I’ve been up for 16 hours, including 6 hours driving and most of the rest skiing, You, on the other hand, have clearly been asleep for the last eight years. > > [My previous post is my cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10416510&postcount=5) Full thread [thread=491730]here[/thread] Yeesh. Get a pamphlet press for that diatribey pablum, Mr. Upton Sinclair. I’m going to go take a shower now. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/22 "2009-01-28T03:14:22Z")
My fellow countrymen who are signing the petition are quite extraordinary in their approach to spelling, grammar and (my personal favorite) bizarre racist epithets. Shall we now start the urban legend that the impeach Obama site is an Obama KGB infiltration site, devoted to collecting the names and internet addresses of rabid anti-Obama-istas for convenience in tracking them down later and putting them in the gulags. All in favor?😃 How, you may ask, could we do this? I suggest the internet. We make a couple of emails to this point, mail them back and forth among ourselves to give them that done-been-forwarded look, and then let them loose on everyone we know. Alternatively, we tell 4chan. ---
**Author:** ![spike404](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@spike404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spike404)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/23 "2009-01-28T03:18:37Z")
“…You, on the other hand, have clearly been asleep for the last eight years…” Nope, just an observer of the political scene for more than 50 years. Way back when one actually had to read to be informed, as opposed to now, when one relies on googling to support their position. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/24 "2009-01-28T03:22:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So two versions of Bush misleading the public covers all possible scenarios? I don’t think you know what the logical fallacy of “false dichotomy” means. What other possibility is there? Bush said Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. That statement was not correct. Either he was misled or he lied. > [@Rand Rover](#): > > You are an idiot. Lying under oath while president is lying under oath while president, I don’t care what it was about. I never denied that he lied under oath. However, his lie was not relevant to _anything_. Virtually every President has cheated on his wife while in office. What makes Clinton so special? > [@spike404](#): > > Imagined facts. What the fuck? Torture is okay? Invading a country that never attacked us is okay? Firing federal officials for not doing enough to prosecute Democrats is okay? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/25 "2009-01-28T03:23:31Z")
> [@spike404](#): > > Way back when one actually had to read to be informed, as opposed to now, when one relies on googling to support their position. I didn’t know that Google could be used by illiterates. Tell me, are you this stupid and snobbish in real life, or do you play it on the Dope? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/26 "2009-01-28T03:36:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So two versions of Bush misleading the public covers all possible scenarios? I don’t think you know what the logical fallacy of “false dichotomy” means. The underlying assumptions are that the public was actually misled and was not knowingly complicit, and that there were no WMDs. I excluded the possibility that either of those are not true, admittedly. So, enlighten me. Which one is not true? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/27 "2009-01-28T04:05:06Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > Yeah, there were quite a lot, but AFAIK it started no sooner than the latter days of his first term, perhaps even not until his second. At the point where Bush had, y’know, done stuff. > > [obamaimpeachment.org](http://obamaimpeachment.org) was registered on July 25th, 2008, which was a month before the convention, even. Damn-you’re shitting me? Fuck, some people have waaaaaay too much time on their hands. At least they’ll probably be taken about as seriously as most of the yahoos on Free Republic. And the ones claiming that Obama is only rooting for the Steelers because they have a black coach. (See my thread here in the Pit) ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/28 "2009-01-28T04:14:26Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So two versions of Bush misleading the public covers all possible scenarios? I don’t think you know what the logical fallacy of “false dichotomy” means. Considering that we know that he made claims that are factually untrue, yes, that does cover all possible scenarios. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/29 "2009-01-28T04:38:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Sampiro- _"Clinton’s impeachment was bogus **imo** , but at least there was a “valid reason if you squint, stand back a way, and want him impeached”_ (bolding/redface mine) [QUOTE=RandRover {in reference to above}] Clinton lied under oath. If that’s not grounds for impeachment, then what the hell is? Oh, right, having policies you disagree with (a la bush). :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Hence the “in my opinion” qualification, and I even admit there was, technically, a valid reason. Now what the possible relevance to asking a question about an adulterous sexual encounter with a consenting adult who had kept silent on the incident and did not dispute that it was consentual had to do with an investigation into a real estate deal years before or for that matter into national security is a completely other matter, hence the “bogus” in my opinion. I would have said the same thing if George Bush’s sex life or his purported cocaine use in the '70s (“I honestly can’t remember”- c’mon, that’s lame as “I didn’t inhale”) was called into question under oath- it’s simply a non issue in relation to his president. If you’re implying that I think Bush’s willful lies to cause a war in which 4,200+ Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been killed (while allowing the Taliban, who most definitely had links to al-Qaeda, to regrow its hair in Afghanistan, where we DID have not only valid cause for war but could actually have made a positive difference) or that his culpability in presiding over and administration that outed CIA operatives/invaded the privacy of U.S. citizens for political purposes/advocated and lied about torture/ignored the Geneva POW Convention and the Constitution in dealing with prisoners/refused to hand over subpoenad documents on asinine grounds/refused to allow its members to be sworn under oath and on record in an investigation/funded mercenaries who committed war crimes/etc etc ad nauseum is worse than lying about committing adultery in terms of national consequence then yeah, you’re quite correct, though I doubt you don’t see the distinction as nobody that benighted could possibly type or even construct sentences. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/30 "2009-01-28T10:19:15Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Virtually every President has cheated on his wife while in office. This is an extraordinary claim. There have been 43 men in the office. I’m not sure how many “virtually every” is in your view, but if the phrase is to have any meaning, you’ve made an utterly unsupportable claim. ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/31 "2009-01-28T10:36:32Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > Yeah, there were quite a lot, but AFAIK it started no sooner than the latter days of his first term, perhaps even not until his second. At the point where Bush had, y’know, done stuff. I can’t think of a way to check for sure, but I’m pretty sure that I saw Bush impeachment stuff early on in his first term aimed at the “Bush stole the election” crowd. The phenomenon precedes the Clinton impeachment hearings (though that certainly increased its popularity, I think). I remember seeing Clinton impeachment stuff aimed at dittoheads around 1994 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/32 "2009-01-28T12:01:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is an extraordinary claim. > > There have been 43 men in the office. I’m not sure how many “virtually every” is in your view, but if the phrase is to have any meaning, you’ve made an utterly unsupportable claim. Well, I guess it depends on the definition of “cheating”. Someone once told me that, strictly speaking, “do you want to fuck?” can be regarded as sexual intercourse. When I suggested that he was confusing “discourse” with “intercourse”, he told me to fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/33 "2009-01-28T13:10:53Z")
Well, it could be a simple question seeking only information about someone’s mental and emotional well-being. Amongst us monkeys, the answer usually lies somewhere between “Well. yes, rather” to “God, yes! Yes, yes, yes, oh, God, _YES_!” I mean, it doesn’t \*necessarily \*infer a willingness to participate. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/34 "2009-01-28T13:16:44Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Considering that we know that he made claims that are factually untrue, yes, that does cover all possible scenarios. We have been over this and over this. If I say “x is true” and it turns out that x is not true, that does not mean that I lied. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/35 "2009-01-28T13:24:11Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > If you’re implying that I think Bush’s willful lies to cause a war in which 4,200+ Americans and tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been killed (while allowing the Taliban, who most definitely had links to al-Qaeda, to regrow its hair in Afghanistan, where we DID have not only valid cause for war but could actually have made a positive difference) or that his culpability in presiding over and administration that outed CIA operatives/invaded the privacy of U.S. citizens for political purposes/advocated and lied about torture/ignored the Geneva POW Convention and the Constitution in dealing with prisoners/refused to hand over subpoenad documents on asinine grounds/refused to allow its members to be sworn under oath and on record in an investigation/funded mercenaries who committed war crimes/etc etc ad nauseum is worse than lying about committing adultery in terms of national consequence then yeah, you’re quite correct, though I doubt you don’t see the distinction as nobody that benighted could possibly type or even construct sentences. Yeesh-classic Sampiro posting; you get paid by the word bub? This was of course just a long way of saying “I disagree with Bush’s policies.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/36 "2009-01-28T13:34:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Yeesh-classic Sampiro posting; you get paid by the word bub? This was of course just a long way of saying “I disagree with Bush’s policies.” How gratifying to see you admit that the Bush Administration had a policy of lying, condoning torture and starting wars. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/37 "2009-01-28T13:44:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > We have been over this and over this. If I say “x is true” and it turns out that x is not true, that does not mean that I lied. Which would fall under the latter case. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/38 "2009-01-28T14:01:04Z")
> [@Mellivora\_capensis](#): > > Well, I guess it depends on the definition of “cheating”. Someone once told me that, strictly speaking, “do you want to fuck?” can be regarded as sexual intercourse. When I suggested that he was confusing “discourse” with “intercourse”, he told me to fuck off. Did he kiss you after? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/39 "2009-01-28T14:08:25Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > We have been over this and over this. If I say “x is true” and it turns out that x is not true, that does not mean that I lied. Which brings us to the question of negligence. A President who makes a mistake in negotiations over international fishing rights is probably not a candidate for impeachment. A President who makes a mistake which results in the deaths of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis might be. ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/40 "2009-01-28T14:16:25Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Did he kiss you after? 😉 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308.md?page=3)