# Very Lame R.O. re: Obama Impeachment Merchandise & Sites **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308 "2009-01-27T23:51:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/41 "2009-01-28T14:31:49Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > We have been over this and over this. If I say “x is true” and it turns out that x is not true, that does not mean that I lied. So, if I say I didn’t have sex with an intern and it turns out I did have sex with an intern, I’m in the clear? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/42 "2009-01-28T14:53:29Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So, if I say I didn’t have sex with an intern and it turns out I did have sex with an intern, I’m in the clear? Look, man, I told you, she was a TA. ---
**Author:** ![spike404](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@spike404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spike404)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/43 "2009-01-28T15:50:51Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > I didn’t know that Google could be used by illiterates. Tell me, are you this stupid and snobbish in real life, or do you play it on the Dope? I believe that you are too stupid to grasp the implication that was made. Before the Internet, if one was having a discussion, they had to rely on what they had actually knew. Nowadays, one can google, come back hours later, and post a brilliant riposte. That is why political debates, or any debate, are live. ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/44 "2009-01-28T16:09:55Z")
> [@spike404](#): > > Before the Internet, if one was having a discussion, they had to rely on what they had actually knew. Nowadays, one can google, come back hours later, and post a brilliant riposte. Um. If one Googles, one must read the results in order to come back to the debate (and one must also understand what one has read, if the riposte is to be brilliant). There is no more or less “actual knowing” involved with reading paper text found in a book or periodical than with electronic text found on the Intarwebs. > [@spike404](#): > > That is why political debates, or any debate, are live. I’m sorry, this doesn’t make any sense. Many legitimate debates are carried on in writing rather than speech and have been since writing was an option. Before message boards, text debates were conducted in editorials and letters to editors, broadsides, pamphlets, scholarly journals, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/45 "2009-01-28T16:21:45Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are an idiot. Lying under oath while president is lying under oath while president, I don’t care what it was about. > > And it’s nice how in one post you illustrate the odd SDMB double standard on lying–Clinton’s lie was OK but you are willing to cry “lie” about anyone else without showing any actual intent to deceive. This might come as a shock to you, but a lie is only as important as what is being lied about. If I tell my wife she doesn’t look fat in those pants, that’s not the same as falsely accusing the mailman of raping me. Prevaricating about a blow job is nowhere near equivalent to lying to start an illegal war. Bush’s lies killed people, Clinton’s parsimonious response to an irrelevant question during a politically motivated civil lawsuit (a suit which was eventually discredited and dismissed for lack of merit). Lying his way into a war wasn’t Bush’s only impeachable offense, by the way. There’s also the torture, the illegal wiretaps and the outing of Valerie Plame. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/46 "2009-01-28T16:25:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > We have been over this and over this. If I say “x is true” and it turns out that x is not true, that does not mean that I lied. Bush knew X was not true. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/47 "2009-01-28T16:31:10Z")
Bush isn’t president anymore. Can we at least agree that the sites linked to in the op are bs? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/48 "2009-01-28T16:33:15Z")
From the link in the OP: I have never hear of “The main Stream Media”. Do they have a website? ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/49 "2009-01-28T16:44:19Z")
Notwithstanding the Facebook page, which is a little hysterical… [QUOTE=Fred Witzell on Facebook] For Obama lovers, I want to make this completely clear, Obama is already off to a terrible start. Close Gitmo? That’s all the excuse I need. Eric Holder as AG?? Timmy Geithner, a TAX CHEAT, as head of Treasury?? [/QUOTE] …can anyone tell me whether the "Whereas"es in the [Obama impeachment petition](http://www.obamaimpeachment.org/impeachobamapetition.html) – if they \*were \*true, and I realize that’s a good spot to use the subjunctive mood – are grounds for impeachment? Do they constitute charges of “[Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States)”? ---
**Author:** ![spike404](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@spike404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spike404)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/50 "2009-01-28T16:46:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Bush knew X was not true. Mindreader? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/51 "2009-01-28T16:51:35Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Now what the possible relevance to asking a question about an adulterous sexual encounter with a consenting adult who had kept silent on the incident and did not dispute that it was consentual had to do with an investigation into a real estate deal years before or for that matter into national security is a completely other matter, hence the “bogus” in my opinion. I thought he was asked the Monica Lewinsky question in relation to Paula Jones’ sexual harassment lawsuit. Ken Starr picked up on it later, but I believe the question itself was 100% valid, as it involved Clinton’s sexual contact with his employees. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/52 "2009-01-28T16:58:12Z")
> [@spike404](#): > > Mindreader? I don’t have to be. There is indisputable evidence that he made claims he knew were not true and that he tampered with the intelligence he showed to Congress. For example. He absolutely knew for a fact that the yellowcake claim was bullshit and he spewed it at a SOTU Address anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/53 "2009-01-28T17:05:11Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I thought he was asked the Monica Lewinsky question in relation to Paula Jones’ sexual harassment lawsuit. Ken Starr picked up on it later, but I believe the question itself was 100% valid, as it involved Clinton’s sexual contact with his employees. Ken Starr fed the question to the Lewinsky lawyers after it was handed to him during what was supposed to be an investigation of Whitewater. After years of investigation had failed to turn up the slightest wrongdoing in the Whitewater investigation, Starr was actually about to give up until Linda Tripp came along with her phone tapes. The Lewinsky question was then dropped into the PJ deposition deliberately to set a perjury trap (and if Clinton had come clean abut Lewinsky, they would have leaked it to milk any potential political damage. Feeding that question into the Jones deposition was win-win for Starr Inquisition). ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/54 "2009-01-28T17:12:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is an extraordinary claim. > > There have been 43 men in the office. I’m not sure how many “virtually every” is in your view, but if the phrase is to have any meaning, you’ve made an utterly unsupportable claim. My Poli Sci professor said that everyone but Truman and Carter did it. I didn’t ask him for a cite, unfortunately, ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/55 "2009-01-28T19:31:29Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Bush isn’t president anymore. Can we at least agree that the sites linked to in the op are bs? I don’t know of anyone who said they weren’t bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/56 "2009-01-28T19:57:32Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Ken Starr fed the question to the Lewinsky lawyers after it was handed to him during what was supposed to be an investigation of Whitewater. So? Is it or is it not a legitimate question? Paula Jones was suing Clinton for sexual harassment while she was working as a state employee. It’s clear to me that Clinton’s proclivity to sex up people working for him is a valid topic to ask questions about. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/57 "2009-01-28T20:07:23Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > So? Is it or is it not a legitimate question? No. > [@](#): > > Paula Jones was suing Clinton for sexual harassment while she was working as a state employee. It’s clear to me that Clinton’s proclivity to sex up people working for him is a valid topic to ask questions about. The allegation was _harrassment_, not sex. Lewinsky never accused Clinton of harrassment. By her own testimony, she was the aggressor. Incidentally, the judge in the PJ case ruled that even if everything Jones was alleging was true, it still wasn’t harrassment, since, by Jones’ own testimony. Clinton made no attempt at coercion, stopped immediately when she said she wasn’t interested and she never suffered any retaliation or consequences in her job. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/58 "2009-01-28T20:31:19Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Clinton lied under oath. : OK, if so, then where’s his conviction for Perjury? “Lying under oath” is not a crime, Perjury is. Just like killing someone is not a crime, but Murder is. A supposed lawyer would know that.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/59 "2009-01-28T20:45:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The allegation was _harrassment_, not sex. Lewinsky never accused Clinton of harrassment. By her own testimony, she was the aggressor. How the fuck was anyone supposed to know that Clinton wasn’t the aggressor, if all the testimony about it was a pile of lies? How was Paula Jones supposed to know that the Lewinsky situation wasn’t practically identical to her own, with the exception that Lewinsky was OK with it and PJ wasn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308/60 "2009-01-28T20:50:40Z")
There was never even an _allegation_ that BC had harrassed Lewinsky, so there was no reason to ask the question. Remember, they DID already have Lewinsky’s own description of the affair on tape in which she identified herself as the aggressor. They weren’t guessing as to the nature of the affair. They already knew. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-lame-r-o-re-obama-impeachment-merchandise-sites/483308.md?page=4)