# Very well, Gaudere **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 30, 2001, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067 "2001-03-30T03:41:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Screwtape](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Screwtape](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Screwtape)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/1 "2001-03-30T03:41:39Z")
As you request, I will place my dispute with your decision here. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gaudere \* > \*\*[Moderator Hat ON]OK, guys, calm down a tad. “Liar” and “coward” can be judgments as to Varlos’ stated position and argument, and are thus acceptable. (He can refute them decisively if he shows that his position is not indicative of deceit or fear, for instance.) However, calling him a “waste of oxygen” and saying you wouldn’t pee on him if he was on fire is a pretty purely personal flame. Keep such comments in The Pit (as well as any disputes of my decision here). > [Moderator Hat OFF] \*\* A minor but germane quibble: I **didn’t** call him any of those things, nor did I say what you attribute to me. I said that \*\*IF HE WENT FORWARD WITH HIS INTENTIONS \*\*the terms of opprobrium to which you refer would indeed apply to him. I stand by that. I hope he changes his mind. A loss of honor is a hard thing to endure. Furthermore, as one who has fought actual duels over points of honor, I disagree that “liar” and “coward” are impersonal accusations, while “waste of oxygen” is not. I stand by that as well. If this is justification for you to ban me from the board, then I’ll agree that I don’t belong here. A re-read of my post might be in order. I trust that I have cooperated with your request that my disagreement with you in this matter not be made part of the original thread. ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/2 "2001-03-30T03:45:21Z")
Anybody else ever notice that Great Debates-related Pit threads always seem to suck? ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/3 "2001-03-30T03:46:06Z")
Link please? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/4 "2001-03-30T03:48:37Z")
OOOOOOooooo. A Gaudere Pit-thread, I’ve been waiting for one of these! She warned me for calling somebody a “chucklehead.” I’ve never gotten over it (hint, hint.) ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/5 "2001-03-30T03:54:17Z")
No, dude, that was me. And I have no idea what the fuck you guys are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/6 "2001-03-30T04:01:10Z")
Yeah, Sofa, but I called somebody else a chucklehead, too. ---
**Author:** ![waxteeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@waxteeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waxteeth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/7 "2001-03-30T04:10:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Screwtape \* > \*\*I disagree that “liar” and “coward” are impersonal accusations, while “waste of oxygen” is not. I stand by that as well. If this is justification for you to ban me from the board, then I’ll agree that I don’t belong here. > > \*\* WTF ? Can someone be banned from this board for “waste of oxygen” or “coward”? I see that it’s another forum and they try to keep the language clean but still I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/8 "2001-03-30T04:12:44Z")
The thread is this one: [The Ethics of Draft Dodging](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=65429). Coming soon in the Pit: Fluffy bunnies are NOT cuddly. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/9 "2001-03-30T04:25:27Z")
Screwtape: > [@](#): > > Furthermore, as one who has fought actual duels over points of honor, You actually fought duels? Not just one, but more than one? I thought duels were kind of passe and illegal these days. Where does one go to duel in today’s anti-dueling environment? Managing one duel would be pretty cool, but I’d think it’s be hard to find dueling partners as it’s kind of a lost art. Did you use guns? Rapiers? Paper Scissors rock? How does one duel these days? How do you keep track of points of honor in this day and age? What’s the best way to get challenged to a duel? Did you slap the guy with a kid glove and say “Forsooth! Sirrah!” Did you kill these people, or just leave them with cool scars on their cheeks? Did you have seconds, and referrees? I got to admit that peaks the hell out of my curiosity. Could you elaborate? I’ve never fought a duel, and think it might be fun. I’d like to learn more. “So we met at dawn at the gates of Paris, and I being the better man quickly overcame my adversary…” ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/10 "2001-03-30T05:06:34Z")
Paper! ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/11 "2001-03-30T05:19:03Z")
Wait a minute. You called someone _else_ a chucklehead? _ **Bitch!** _ Tell me now. Was it before, or after, you slut? I thought we had an _animosity_, man! And now you go and call someone else a fucking chucklehead. I just… I don’t know how I’m going to deal with this. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/12 "2001-03-30T05:26:35Z")
> [@](#): > > You actually fought duels? Not just one, but more than one? Nah, he just took a swing at a buddy who was tryng to cheat at mini-golf. He missed, but it was for a point of honor, by god. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/13 "2001-03-30T05:42:25Z")
> [@](#): > > I didn’t call him any of those things, nor did I say what you attribute to me. I said that IF HE WENT FORWARD WITH HIS INTENTIONS the terms of opprobrium to which you refer would indeed apply to him. You said: “But if he accepts the benefits of a deal with the United States, _knowing beforehand_ he will refuse to honor his side of the deal, then he is a liar, a coward, and a waste of otherwise-valuable oxygen. He could, under those conditions, burst into flame and I would make it a point not to piss on him.” Varlos has stated: “I’m going to college right now, and I need my student aid to pay for it.[…] I know that I would almost certainly wish to dodge the draft in the event that one was issued…no one here is likely to change my mind” It seems to me that Varlos is pretty damn certain when he accepted the aid that he will refuse to honor his side of the deal. The waffling “almost certain” seems to refer to the possibilty that he may change his mind in the future, not that he has never at one point intended to both accept the aid and not accept the draft. You have stated that if he accepted the benefits, knowing _beforehand_ (he can hardly know what he will do until he actually _does_ it, but you specifically state that if he does not intend to honor his side of the bargain when he made it–which it seems clear he does not) that he will refuse to honor it, he is yadda yadda yadda. Since it seems clear to me that Varlos at one point has both accepted the aid and fully intended not to fulfill the contract, I believe your comments apply to him. No one can _know_ what they will do in the future, but his stated intent and clear acceptance of the aid seems to bring the insult home to him. In addition, I do NOT wish to see exchanges like this in GD: Poster A: I’m going to burn my draft card pretty soon. Poster B: If you do that, I’ll consider you a yak-felching weasel. Poster A: If you consider me a yak-felching weasel, I’ll consider you a grade-A assfucking buttmunch. Poster B: If you consider me a grade-A assfucking buttmunch, I’ll consider you a scrotum-licking shitsucking cockbiter. Poster A: If you consider me a scrotum-licking shitsucking cockbiter, I’ll consider you a pigfucking cumslurping syphilitic cunt. Mod: Ok, you two, out of here. Posters: But those only went into effect if [poster A/B] sent ahead with his intentions! …Yet according to your apparent criteria, _that would all be OK_. Um, NO. Putting “if you do” in front of “something a poster has clearly stated they will do” and then following it up with various insulting comments does not magically make those insulting comments disappear. Put “if” in front of something that the poster has NOT clearly stated they will do, and you might get away with it. > [@](#): > > Furthermore, as one who has fought actual duels over points of honor, I disagree that “liar” and “coward” are impersonal accusations, while “waste of oxygen” is not. I stand by that as well. If this is justification for you to ban me from the board, then I’ll agree that I don’t belong here. Not impersonal, but statements that might possibly be useful within the context of a debate to aid an argument. Example: Poster A: I know for a fact that A, B, C. Poster B: A is false (cite). B is false. (cite) I can prove that you knew they were both false. (cite) Why should we believe what you say about C? “You’re lying” or “you’re chicken” can be both true and useful in an argument, though inflammatory. “You are worthless” has no real use in an argument, and seems to be a purely personal dig. > [@](#): > > A re-read of my post might be in order. I trust that I have cooperated with your request that my disagreement with you in this matter not be made part of the original thread. Yes, and thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/14 "2001-03-30T05:46:04Z")
…And who the fuck said anything about banning you? Sheesh. I thought my Mod Hat comment was fairly mild. ---
**Author:** ![Jalapeno\_On\_A\_Stick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Jalapeno\_On\_A\_Stick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jalapeno_On_A_Stick)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/15 "2001-03-30T08:38:41Z")
Damnit, nobody ever lets me hack people up anymore. If there’s a SDMB Duel/Party, I wanna know about it. I have this cool Conan the Barbarian type sword I’ve been itching to see how well it performs in battle. btw- do we get to keep the hacked off body parts? just wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/16 "2001-03-30T09:07:04Z")
Hey Screwtape, why waste time with this churlish bickering - challenge Gaudere to a duel. Oh, and to add to scylla’s questions (and you really must elaborate on your “as one who has fought actual duels over points of honor” comment) in this age of sexual equality, could you challenge Gaudere to a duel? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/17 "2001-03-30T13:58:59Z")
I dunno, man…if I saw **Screwtape** hit **Gaudere** in the face with a kid glove whilst shouting “Forsooth! Lassie!” (huh…that really does NOT sound terribly imposing, does it?), chivalry would demand that _I_ challenge _him_ to a duel. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/18 "2001-03-30T14:01:28Z")
:smacks Gary Kumquat across the face with a glove: Sir, I say, Sir!! I demand satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/19 "2001-03-30T14:08:12Z")
> [@](#): > > If you consider me a grade-A assfucking buttmunch, I’ll consider you a scrotum-licking shitsucking cockbiter. I’m going to print that out and hang it in my office. It has a nice ring to it! Zette ---
**Author:** ![MikeG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikeg/32/4329_2.png) [@MikeG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeG)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2001, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067/20 "2001-03-30T14:27:10Z")
Hey **Uke** , I got the dueling fer honor thing covered…already went head to head with DITWD [sub](well head to his rapidly receding tail, the yeller bastard!)[/sub] I was just waiting to see how she would respond…still pretty restrained although I am pretty sure her theoretical exchange in no way was an allegory as to how she _really_ feels 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/very-well-gaudere/60067.md?page=2)