# Vetbridge's Obligation to Recognize Veterinary Ethics **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497 "2006-05-20T05:00:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/121 "2006-05-23T01:44:01Z")
**Miller** , psssst. It wasn’t an accident. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/122 "2006-05-23T01:54:16Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Hentor** , I know that you are a psychologist and a professional and that we disagree on what was ethical in this situation. You were not able to explain _why_ it was ethical in any way that made sense to me. **You with the face** had different reasoning. Fair enough, I suppose. You were never able to explain why it was unethical. You also chose never to respond to many of the people giving you lots of explanations of why it was an ethical decision to make clear what remained a question for you. We do disagree, but you also seem to lack a grasp of even the basic issues necessary to formulate an opinion of the matter, and gave no impression that you wanted to learn. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/123 "2006-05-23T01:58:18Z")
Who exactly were you trying to insult, then? Because “You are forever reminding me of how different the legal profession is from those with ethical standards,” sure sounds like a swipe at the legal profession in general. Where’s the whoosh, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/124 "2006-05-23T01:59:14Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Miller** , psssst. It wasn’t an accident. So you deliberately stated a malicious falsehood simply to be inflammatory. Not only are you unethical and stupid; you are a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/125 "2006-05-23T02:31:56Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Since **Bricker** finally flinched, and neither of you seemed to take the hint of a proud mother celebrating, I suppose I have to spell it out for you: WHOOSH! (And **Bricker** _knows_ better.) FTR, I don’t apologize for whooshes. See, more misuse of the word “whoosh”. I’ve seen people do this crap before. What the fuck does “whoosh” mean in your book, **Zoe**? Because from here it seems like it means “I said something stupid and insulting, but I’m going to call it a funny name in an attempt to make it seem like I don’t need to apologize.” > [@](#): > > And I beat you both to it long ago. I’ve been open at SDMB about my own struggles with mental illness. I’m a very easy target. Feel free. Oh, so people are beating up on you because you’ve admitted to mental health problems? (For the record, I called her “delusional” a couple posts above, but I had no idea she had experienced mental illness and I certainly have no idea whether she has actually experienced delusions to due it.) So you’re mentally ill. Ever look at a thread about mental illness here? You’re not alone. Not remotely. Spare me the martyr act - you’re being condemned here for your behavior and your complete inability to admit that you were wrong and made completely baseless accusations of misconduct against **Vetbridge**. You owe him an enormous apology. Trying to deflect by crying about your mental illness demonstrates a serious lack of class, and it’s a major insult to everyone in this thread (there’s several of us, if I’m not mistaken) who suffer from mental illnesses. > [@](#): > > See Pennsylvania codes, oath. You failed to show how these did not apply. And you failed to show how they did. The trouble is that, from a rhetorical perspective, it’s _your_ job to demonstrate their relevance. You can shower a citations on us until we drown in them - it still doesn’t prove your point. Though it’s an interesting tactic - from now on, whenever anyone disagrees, I’m going to point to the Oxford English Dictionary and Encyclopedia Brittanica and say, “Prove that nothing in those books supports my point!” > [@](#): > > Very good, **Bricker**. Now point to your eyes and your nose. Again, you got no class at all, **Zoe**. > [@](#): > > I don’t find it embarrassing to apologize when I think I am wrong. I find it disingenuous to say that I think I am wrong just because so many people, many that I admire, disagree with me. And yet you have been completely unable to even put together a reasoned argument to prove that you’re right. Why exactly do you still think you are? > [@](#): > > The reasons that you go on to state in your post _finally_ give some _ethical_ balance to the picture for me. Having been in a profession where I dealt with individuals, I know that guidelines for right and wrong are not always carved in stone, nor are they easy to explain. Thank you for putting some perspective on it that I can relate to. A point I made earlier - twice. I eluded to the fact that you don’t have nearly enough information to cast any sort of judgment on **Vetbridge** in my very first post in the thread. You just chose to ignore it. No class at all, **Zoe**. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/126 "2006-05-23T02:37:23Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > A point I made earlier - twice. I eluded to the fact that you don’t have nearly enough information to cast any sort of judgment on **Vetbridge** in my very first post in the thread. I also _alluded_ to it. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/127 "2006-05-23T03:32:21Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > See, more misuse of the word “whoosh”. I’ve seen people do this crap before. What the fuck does “whoosh” mean in your book, **Zoe**? Because from here it seems like it means “I said something stupid and insulting, but I’m going to call it a funny name in an attempt to make it seem like I don’t need to apologize.” I scrolled up and own reading & re-reading and trying to figure WTF the “whoosh” comment was all about until she said > [@](#): > > The whoosh was in reference to the remark made about the legal profession and ethics. Nothing else. Playing nasty games like that in a thread where you are attacking the very core of person’s professional credibility betrays the assumption that everyone made in this thread, that although they might disagree with you, that you were posting in good faith. It’s almost troll like. ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/128 "2006-05-23T03:43:28Z")
to quote Linty Fresh from a thread in My Humble Opinion" “plus the fact that it’s hard to logically argue someone out of an opinion that they didn’t come to logically in the first place–usually makes me smile, nod, and nip the debate in the bud with a simple thanks and goodbye, no matter where I am” so Zoe 🙂 , nod thanks and goodbye ☹ when you come back bring logic ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/129 "2006-05-23T03:54:34Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Running out of things I’ve actually said and done to criticize me for? Hell, we could start with that sentence. But I don’t think that I could fairly criticize something you said without justifying your (expected) conclusion that I was somehow endorsing some of the rest. And hey, going through sentence-by-sentence would take way too long. Let’s do it the other way instead. Smartest and most rational thing you’ve said in this thread: > [@Zoe](#): > > I realize that there is much that I don’t know about veterinary medicine, the ethics of that profession, and of vetbridge personally including gender. I take the rest of your comments as proof of this rather unremarkable claim. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/130 "2006-05-23T03:58:41Z")
isn’t the best advice for the Pit “know when to stop digging”? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/131 "2006-05-23T04:10:33Z")
> [@](#): > > **Miller** : Who exactly were you trying to insult, then? Rick with a thump on the ear in the Pit. > [@](#): > > **Excalibre** : Oh, so people are beating up on you because you’ve admitted to mental health problems? What is the problem with your reading comprehension? To the contrary. I don’t think that either of the people that I was responding to about “writing a letter” were aware of my history of mental illness. That was the point. No, I don’t think that anyone here has “beaten me up” because I have had mental health problems. If you look back at many of those threads that you talk about, I’ve participated in them. No martyr here, thanks. No need. > [@](#): > > **Excalibre** : > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally posted by Zoe: Very good, **Bricker**. Now point to your eyes and your nose. > > Again, you got no class at all, Zoe. That may be true, Excalibre, but that’s not the response that reveals my lack of class. Again, you are having difficulty with reading comprehension. A review: Bricker said: “Not a record admirable for its cogency or its persuasive power, Zoe.” When I said, “Very good, **Bricker**. Now point to your eyes and your nose,” that was another way of stating that **Bricker** had pointed out the obvious. In other words, _I was agreeing with him_ that my arguments lacked persuasive power. **Hentor** , I don’t know why I have not responded more directly to more of your comments. Maybe it was because most of them were directed to other Dopers. Or maybe it was because I found your arguments too intimidating. It was easier to field some of the other comments. It wasn’t intentional. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/132 "2006-05-23T04:20:36Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Maybe it was because most of them were directed to other Dopers. :smack: Good point. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/133 "2006-05-23T04:30:52Z")
> [@](#): > > **Excalibre** : A point I made earlier - twice. I eluded to the fact that you don’t have nearly enough information to cast any sort of judgment on **Vetbridge** in my very first post in the thread. Again, I admitted to a lack of information in my first post also. Yet somehow, you think that _you_ have enough information to read my mind and know what I am thinking and feeling – so much so that you contradict me on it. The irony. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/134 "2006-05-23T04:34:41Z")
**Hentor** , no problem. I was probably subconsciously glad for a reason not to try to respond. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/135 "2006-05-23T04:36:15Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Rick with a thump on the ear in the Pit. Which you did by insulting his entire profession. Which brings us back to what the hell you meant by saying it was a “whoosh,” because I think everyone figured that you were trying to insult **Bricker** already. The issue is how you went about doing it. But you know what? It would probably be better if you didn’t, as your attempts to explain things are pretty consistently making you look worse and worse. I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish with this thread, but it sure doesn’t seem to be working. Maybe you should just quit while you’re behind. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/136 "2006-05-23T04:50:49Z")
> [@](#): > > **Miller** : I think everyone figured that you were trying to insult Bricker already. Insult **Bricker**? _In the pit_? You have to be kidding. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/137 "2006-05-23T05:37:43Z")
**Zoe** , get this fucker closed down by a mod. It isn’t going anywhere except to destroy your posting creds…and you have plenty babe. Put this trainwreck down…it’s getting painful now for the rest of us. FTR, I was with you with your OP as I also queried vetbridges ‘ethics’ and motivations in the original thread, but this one has gone too far now. I suggest you bow out gracefully and concede defeat. And, in anticipation of that… (((((((Zoe))))))) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/138 "2006-05-23T06:04:09Z")
Thanks, **kambuckta**. I think I’ll fold my tent now and _silently_ steal away. Mods, this one needs to be closed. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/139 "2006-05-23T06:11:22Z")
Extra ((((((((Zoe Hugs))))))) for being so brave then!! Well done lassie. ;j ---
**Author:** ![Flyhalf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea5d25/32.png) [@Flyhalf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyhalf)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497/140 "2006-05-23T14:45:47Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Thanks, **kambuckta**. > > I think I’ll fold my tent now and _silently_ steal away. > > Mods, this one needs to be closed. So, you’re still not going to apologize? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vetbridges-obligation-to-recognize-veterinary-ethics/357497.md?page=8)