# Veterinarian brags about killing a cat **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224 "2015-04-21T21:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/401 "2015-06-21T20:17:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > One month passed. The grand jury has met again, and again did not hear the case. > > There have been no news reports about any actions being taken by the judicial committee of the AVMA. > > Of course, it’s only one month. Plenty could happen. According to the “Justice for Tiger” people, the Grand Jury is meeting on June 24th. They’re planning a protest at the courthouse for that day. But I’d be very surprised if the DA presented it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/402 "2015-06-22T13:25:29Z")
> [@camille](#): > > But I’d be very surprised if the DA presented it. Me, too. About the only way that they could develop a prosecutable case against Dr. Lindsey would be her serving up inculpatory statements to the sheriff’s deputies when interviewed. And since, as I understand it, she was represented by counsel by the time the sheriff interviewed her, I am pretty sure that didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/403 "2015-06-22T16:00:45Z")
I must be getting tired. I’ve posted in this thread, read it, etc. But lately, everytime I see it in the forum list, I read: _ **Vegetarian brags about killing a cat** _. And I go: WTF? ---
**Author:** ![txswimdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@txswimdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/txswimdad)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/404 "2015-06-24T01:58:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Now two months since former Brenham veterinarian Kristen Lindsey’s social media post bragging about a cat she shot with an arrow went viral, a grand jury is set to hear about the case for the first time. > > Austin County District Attorney Travis Koehn says his office will present the Lindsey case Wednesday morning. [http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Former-Brenham-Veterinarians-Case-to-be-Presented-to-Grand-Jury-Wednesday-309413111.html](http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Former-Brenham-Veterinarians-Case-to-be-Presented-to-Grand-Jury-Wednesday-309413111.html) ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/405 "2015-06-24T03:38:02Z")
I _am_ surprised! Now I can upgrade to being skeptical they have enough evidence to go forward. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/406 "2015-06-24T17:58:21Z")
[Bummer for me.](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/06/24/brenham-vet-accused-of-killing-cat-with-arrow-to-go-before-grand-jury/29219199/) > [@](#): > > A Brenham veterinarian accused of killing a cat with a bow and arrow will not face charges at this time after an Austin County grand jury find returned a “no-bill” in the case. Now the long wait to see what the TX vet board does. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/407 "2015-06-25T12:26:55Z")
The “Justice for Tiger” Facebook page seems to have been removed. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/408 "2015-06-25T12:51:12Z")
Maybe someone shot it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/409 "2015-06-25T21:18:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The “Justice for Tiger” Facebook page seems to have been removed. Facebook supposedly removed the original page because of complaints. But here’s [another one](https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForTigersHumans). They’re saying they’re being harassed by Lindsey supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/410 "2015-06-26T02:03:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Maybe someone shot it. > > Regards, > Shodan With a .17 HMR. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/411 "2015-06-26T03:21:59Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > [Probably](http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol15/iss4/art10/), at least under most circumstances\*. > > \*_The Bayesian Belief Network calculates the optimal decision for management of a small population of feral cats to be TNR+ kitten removal and for a medium or large population of feral cats to be Trap-Euthanize._ From the above article. I see from the article that 50 cats is the cutoff between TNR and TE. If I read the article correctly, it involved more simulation than measurement. Also, it included parameters for the utility of animal welfare groups. That’s fine and well, but I have some concern about whether changing such values would give dramatically different results. To be fair, they did run a sensitivity analysis. Too bad the tables weren’t included online. This is just one study of course. IMHO, if endangered species are involved, then a more aggressive trap-euthenize and/or hunt/shoot program would be appropriate (if effective). Outdoor cats have been shown to be voracious consumers of wildlife, even if otherwise well fed. I have little love for them. ## Example citation: [The Wildlife Management Institute (WMI)](http://www.wildlifemanagementinstitute.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=610:new-research-suggests-outdoor-cats-kill-more-wildlife-than-thought&catid=34:ONB+Articles&Itemid=54) I clicked the link in the OP out of a dubious sense of responsibility. I’m all for killing feral cats if such activity is grounded on defensible science, but I found her conduct unprofessional and worthy of non-legal sanction. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/412 "2015-07-30T00:17:47Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > [Bummer for me.](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/06/24/brenham-vet-accused-of-killing-cat-with-arrow-to-go-before-grand-jury/29219199/) > > Now the long wait to see what the TX vet board does. No word, as yet, from the Texas vet board. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/413 "2015-07-30T12:36:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No word, as yet, from the Texas vet board. In other news, no parrots died today on the M60 motorway. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/414 "2015-07-30T13:52:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No word, as yet, from the Texas vet board. From the (admittedly sketchy) Justice for Tiger FB page today: > [@](#): > > LATEST NEWS FROM TBVME: The case has moved forward! On July 27, the vet board investigator submitted her final report. The board is apparently required to send out updates every 30 days to everyone who submits a formal complaint. Dealing with this must suck for them. Cat people are crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/415 "2015-07-30T14:19:46Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > From the (admittedly sketchy) Justice for Tiger FB page today: > > The board is apparently required to send out updates every 30 days to everyone who submits a formal complaint. Dealing with this must suck for them. Cat people are crazy. I’m curious about the other folks that, earlier in this thread, seemed to be arguing strongly that Dr. Lindsey would get criminal sanctions and lose her license. (I don’t include **camille** in that group, since while she obviously wanted some outcome like that, I got the sense that her questions were much more focused on why it wouldn’t happen, as opposed to refusing to accept that it wouldn’t happen. And obviously you, **steronz** , had the courage of your convictions to risk a real world wager.) But the rest of you? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/416 "2015-07-31T14:34:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m curious about the other folks that, earlier in this thread, seemed to be arguing strongly that Dr. Lindsey would get criminal sanctions and lose her license. I’m not a cat person in any sense of the word, in spite the unholy number of cats I do own. But I do own them, they are my personal property. It is a crime to destroy someone else’s property without permission, whether it’s a car, a bike, a fence or a cat. Also in some jurisdictions, the only lawful way to kill a cat is by overdose of barbiturates … one just can’t go around shooting cats. I hope this clarifies why some would argue that the vet should get criminal sanctions and loose her license in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/417 "2015-07-31T15:07:08Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I’m not a cat person in any sense of the word, in spite the unholy number of cats I do own. But I do own them, they are my personal property. That’s just what the cats want you to think. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/418 "2015-07-31T15:38:07Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > That’s just what the cats want you to think. 😉 I listen and obey, gives me a certain level of peace. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/419 "2015-07-31T16:34:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m curious about the other folks that, earlier in this thread, seemed to be arguing strongly that Dr. Lindsey would get criminal sanctions and lose her license. > > (I don’t include **camille** in that group, since while she obviously wanted some outcome like that, I got the sense that her questions were much more focused on why it wouldn’t happen, as opposed to refusing to accept that it wouldn’t happen. And obviously you, **steronz** , had the courage of your convictions to risk a real world wager.) > > But the rest of you? I posted 4 times in the thread. I wish she had been given criminal sanctions, though I don’t believe I argued that she would. I hope that she is sanctioned in some way professionally - beyond losing her job and the statements issued by the AVMA, when it happened and when the no-bill was reached. I don’t know if that statement was linked here, so[here it is.](http://atwork.avma.org/2015/06/27/euthanasia-and-cats-an-arrow-a-captive-bolt-gun-and-gunshot-are-not-the-same/) The later post is really more “hey, the ACMA wasn’t consulted in that process, so we were surprised our guidelines were referenced. Here are our guidelines.” ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/420 "2015-09-08T23:36:01Z")
Take this with a spoonful of salt, I’m not convinced [HuffPo](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-vet-killed-cat-with-arrow_55e452c2e4b0c818f61859a6?xwnlv7vi)’s source is anyone other than the same Facebook crazies I’m following, but… > [@](#): > > The Texas State Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners found in a hearing last week that Kristen Lindsey violated its rules. The board will not reveal what, if any, punishment she will face until October, but it has the power to revoke her license. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224.md?page=22)