# Veterinarian brags about killing a cat **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224 "2015-04-21T21:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/81 "2015-04-23T18:35:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You fail at logic, and more as a human being. Your momma! That’s the equivalent of your post. :rolleyes: DrDeth in now way, proved that the cat with the arrow through its head is the same cat that has been declared missing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/82 "2015-04-23T18:59:57Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Your momma! > > That’s the equivalent of your post. :rolleyes: > > DrDeth in now way, proved that the cat with the arrow through its head is the same cat that has been declared missing. Prove that you’re not a bot programmed to be a complete douchbag. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/83 "2015-04-23T19:04:04Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Your momma! > > That’s the equivalent of your post. :rolleyes: > > DrDeth in now way, proved that the cat with the arrow through its head is the same cat that has been declared missing. Good grief. [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538](https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538) If people aren’t on Facebook or don’t care to look, this is a page the cat’s owners started. The vet DID shoot Tiger, the cat that had been missing. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/84 "2015-04-23T19:09:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Prove that you’re not a bot programmed to be a complete douchbag. Again with the “your momma”? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/85 "2015-04-23T19:11:37Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Good grief. > > [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538](https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538) > > If people aren’t on Facebook or don’t care to look, this is a page the cat’s owners started. The vet DID shoot Tiger, the cat that had been missing. I looked at the FB page. Orange tabby cats are not uncommon. Just because their cat is missing doesn’t mean its the same one. Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/86 "2015-04-23T19:17:11Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Good grief. > > [https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538](https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538) > > If people aren’t on Facebook or don’t care to look, this is a page the cat’s owners started. The vet DID shoot Tiger, the cat that had been missing. Perhaps you meant to link [Justice for Tiger the cat killed by Veterinarian with Bow & Arrow](https://www.facebook.com/JusticeforTiger) instead? BTW: > [@Dr. Kristen Lindsey](#): > > My first bow kill, lol. The only good feral tomcat is one with an arrow through it’s head! Vet of the year award … Gladly accepted. > > No I did not lose my job. Lol. Psshh. Like someone would get rid of me. I’m awesome! How about Dumbass of the Year award, Doc? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/87 "2015-04-23T19:19:19Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Your momma! > > That’s the equivalent of your post. :rolleyes: > > DrDeth in now way, proved that the cat with the arrow through its head is the same cat that has been declared missing. I realize that you’re probably confused by, I don’t know, words or something, but this is actually a message board, not a courtroom. The fact that the cat in the picture is extraordinarily well-fed, healthy looking, and clean is pretty good evidence that it is a pet, not a feral. And the fact that an identical-looking pet cat disappeared at the exact same time and area as the picture was taken is pretty strong, if circumstantial evidence that it was the cat in question. Fact 1 is actually the more damning, since it means that either she is extraordinarily bad at recognizing the difference between a feral cat and a domestic cat (which makes her a bad vet) or she actually knew it wasn’t a feral, which just makes her a psychopath who likes killing pets. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/88 "2015-04-23T19:22:52Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > I looked at the FB page. Orange tabby cats are not uncommon. Just because their cat is missing doesn’t mean its the same one. Good grief. Orange tabby cats don’t tend to have the exact same pattern of white on the side of their neck and left thigh. We can either believe that she shot a feral cat that had the exact same markings as the one that went missing at the exact time she shot it, or we can believe that she shot the cat in question. Which one is more likely I leave as an exercise to the reader. ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/89 "2015-04-23T21:18:25Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > Orange tabby cats don’t tend to have the exact same pattern of white on the side of their neck and left thigh. > > We can either believe that she shot a feral cat that had the exact same markings as the one that went missing at the exact time she shot it, or we can believe that she shot the cat in question. Which one is more likely I leave as an exercise to the reader. It’s not really much exercise for people who aren’t idiots. The white patterns are very distinctive on Tiger. The likelihood of two cats in the same vicinity with identical markings is, IM(extremely experienced having seen thousands cats and colonies of cats that can all be related on some level and can tell them apart easily, and can gender mature unaltered cats with 90% accuracy on sight alone)HO, a fraction of zero. If he were a solid colored grey or white or black cat, it would be much harder to argue, but tabbies and cats with white are darned near as good a fingerprints. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/90 "2015-04-23T21:50:13Z")
Something 60% of the cats in [these images](https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+white+tabby+cat&biw=1280&bih=866&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=j2g5Vf2xB4SxogSikIHoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ) look like both of the cats shown on the Facebook pages. Based upon your logic of fingerprint identification of tabby markings, are we to assume that most of these images are of Tiger the cat? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/91 "2015-04-23T21:52:08Z")
And BTW has anyone figured out why the cat in the pic posted by the vet, is missing one of its hind legs? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/92 "2015-04-23T21:59:07Z")
> [@Av8trix](#): > > Anybody here with Vet type experience? I’ve seen it said that in the picture, the way that the cat is holding his legs speaks to him still being alive in the photo- as in, if he were dead, his legs would be hanging down limply instead of flexed up like that. We’ve killed quite a few vermin around my current residence (no cats, though) from mice and voles up to raccoons. Post-mortem twitching and muscle spasms occur not only at the time of death but sometimes for awhile after. Not all body cells die at the same time. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Not looking at the picture, but I’m willing to believe in this case that the bolt caused an instant-kill. That does NOT mean that a crossbow shot from a distance is humane, because you need to choose a method based on foolproofedness. There’s no way to guarantee that a cat you’re aiming at won’t twitch, even if it’s sleeping, resulting in your planned headshot actually being a shot to the neck or shoulder or something that’s not an instant kill. A crossbow can be pretty damn powerful, as can a hunting bow. Under _some_ circumstances I’d argue it can be humane but we don’t have enough information in this case to know that. Also, people can have irrational and visceral reactions to method of death. We’ve used a crossbow around here to take out vermin, but then, we also practice using our bow. We’re also prepared to wade in afterwards with a club if necessary to finish te job, which is a risk with ANY killing method. As we actually have a crosspistol rather than, say, a hunting crossbow using it reduces the risk of overpenetration, so it’s safer than a larger, more powerful bow or a gun for not only other people in the building but also our neighbors on nearby properties. Personally, I favor live trapping, and we took care of four of them that way, but the damned raccoons figured that thing out so it was either live with raccoons in the ceiling or take other strong measures. Sorry, guys. You should have just kept eating the damn cat food we provided for you and let us take you to the relocation spot. Even if we were using a .22, though, there’d be a risk of an animal moving/twtiching/shifting so the bullet hit a non-fatal area. Great, then you’d have a _wounded_ animal to deal with, possibly one that now means you great harm. In other words, casual shooting of vermin, with any weapon, isn’t something that should be done lightly, not just because of harm to the animal shot but also because the shooter can wind up at risk, too. > [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I feel horribly sorry for anyone who wants to shoot cats or hurt them in any way. My two kitties are sweet and kind. I’ve been a cat owner. I like cats. But feral cats, true feral cats, are NOT “sweet and kind”. They’re wild, they’re typically hostile towards humans, and they WILL try to hurt you if you attempt capture or just stumble over them at the wrong place and time. It’s not that I enjoy hurting any animal, but the safety of me and mine come first. That said, I don’t know if the cat depicted in the link is or isn’t feral or someone’s pet. I do think the vet in the photo was a dumbass. > [@cmyk](#): > > Besides it being a slaying of a domesticated (perhaps gone feral) animal, I think what bugs me the most is how she seems so _sporting_ about it. The pic isn’t particularly gory, just disturbing in that you can see the bolt passing through the skull, but the way she’s holding it up like a prized fucking trout is utterly creepy. Yeah, I don’t get the bragging aspect of this at all. As noted, we’ve killed problem animals around here. I’ve also killed for my dinner. In all cases I try to be as quick about it as possible. I don’t take a photo of myself proudly holding up a trophy (alright, I did with the first fish I ever caught, when I was 8) and bragging about killing something. _At best_ killing something is a necessary chore, it’s not, in my opinion, something to glorify. The fact the woman is a vet is just salt in the wound. Yes, we do hold medical personnel to a different standard, fair or not, and that includes animal medics. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/93 "2015-04-23T22:06:15Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Something 60% of the cats in [these images](https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+white+tabby+cat&biw=1280&bih=866&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=j2g5Vf2xB4SxogSikIHoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ) look like both of the cats shown on the Facebook pages. Based upon your logic of fingerprint identification of tabby markings, are we to assume that most of these images are of Tiger the cat? No they don’t. They all have entirely different, distinct patterns. None of which, that I can see, have the square of white on the left side of the neck, and slash of white fur across the back left leg that appears in the pictures of both Tiger and the cat in question. > [@Omar Little](#): > > And BTW has anyone figured out why the cat in the pic posted by the vet, is missing one of its hind legs? The right rear leg is behind the left rear leg; you can see the paw hanging down just under the tail. Why would you expect both rear legs to be visible in a shot from the side? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/94 "2015-04-23T22:14:09Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Something 60% of the cats in [these images](https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+white+tabby+cat&biw=1280&bih=866&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=j2g5Vf2xB4SxogSikIHoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ) look like both of the cats shown on the Facebook pages. Based upon your logic of fingerprint identification of tabby markings, are we to assume that most of these images are of Tiger the cat? Actually, only one of the cats in that link has an arrow in it’s head. The whole thing seems so bizarre to me as to be hard to take at face value, but I suppose someone is checking it out. ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/95 "2015-04-23T22:37:35Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Something 60% of the cats in [these images](https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+white+tabby+cat&biw=1280&bih=866&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=j2g5Vf2xB4SxogSikIHoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ) look like both of the cats shown on the Facebook pages. Based upon your logic of fingerprint identification of tabby markings, are we to assume that most of these images are of Tiger the cat? > > > [@fachverwirrt](#): > > > > No they don’t. They all have entirely different, distinct patterns. None of which, that I can see, have the square of white on the left side of the neck, and slash of white fur across the back left leg that appears in the pictures of both Tiger and the cat in question. > > > > The right rear leg is behind the left rear leg; you can see the paw hanging down just under the tail. Why would you expect both rear legs to be visible in a shot from the side? Thanks for saying what I would have. I suspect Omar has a vision issue on top of a brain issue. ---
**Author:** ![flatlined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb9ed0/32.png) [@flatlined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flatlined)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/96 "2015-04-23T22:48:53Z")
I’ve tried really hard to stay out of this thread because I knew it would be upsetting. I’m one of those people who do TNR and yes, it is time consuming. Yes, you do have to go back and monitor the colonies. Yes, it can get expensive. Happily, there are many wonderful vets who will fix cats very cheaply. If you are committed to doing this, you will find the vets and resources needed. For those of you who are advocating just killing those poor critters for the sin of being alive and homeless, how many are you willing to kill a day? And how would you do it? Feral cats and fast and slinky, so if you shoot them and just wound them and they run away, what are you going to do then? Let them suffer? Oh, how about poison? That’s not humane at all and besides you would probably kill pets and dogs as well. Oh, you don’t care about them either? I’m not going to say what I think about you personally, except that you probably haven’t really given this much thought. One of the ways to stop feral cats from moving in is to remove the food source. This would involve a lot of work on your part as well. Not only would you need to be sure that ALL of your garbage is in secure containers, you would need to be sure that your neighbors for a mile around were also as diligent. Next, you would need to get rid of all of the rodents for a mile around. That’s a LOT of snap traps unless you choose to use poison because you don’t care about anything else that might eat it. If you choose to poison the rodents, be sure that all of the parents keep their kids inside forever. TNR really is the only humane way to solve the problem. That and education. Many people really don’t understand the importance of neutering or spaying their pets. The feral cat problem is a human caused problem and should be dealt with in a humane fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/97 "2015-04-23T23:03:34Z")
I’ve been wondering for the past two days why a vegetarian would kill a cat. Reading comprehension fail. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/98 "2015-04-23T23:08:54Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > I’ve been wondering for the past two days why a vegetarian would kill a cat. Reading comprehension fail. The fewer cats there are, the more likely someone will adopt a zucchini. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/99 "2015-04-23T23:10:33Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The fewer cats there are, the more likely someone will adopt a zucchini. Good point. That would cut down on the feral zucchini population. In late summer you can’t give those suckers away. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224/100 "2015-04-23T23:17:02Z")
> [@flatlined](#): > > I’ve tried really hard to stay out of this thread because I knew it would be upsetting. I’m one of those people who do TNR and yes, it is time consuming. Yes, you do have to go back and monitor the colonies. Yes, it can get expensive. Happily, there are many wonderful vets who will fix cats very cheaply. If you are committed to doing this, you will find the vets and resources needed. > > For those of you who are advocating just killing those poor critters for the sin of being alive and homeless, how many are you willing to kill a day? And how would you do it? Feral cats and fast and slinky, so if you shoot them and just wound them and they run away, what are you going to do then? Let them suffer? > > Oh, how about poison? That’s not humane at all and besides you would probably kill pets and dogs as well. Oh, you don’t care about them either? I’m not going to say what I think about you personally, except that you probably haven’t really given this much thought. > > One of the ways to stop feral cats from moving in is to remove the food source. This would involve a lot of work on your part as well. Not only would you need to be sure that ALL of your garbage is in secure containers, you would need to be sure that your neighbors for a mile around were also as diligent. Next, you would need to get rid of all of the rodents for a mile around. That’s a LOT of snap traps unless you choose to use poison because you don’t care about anything else that might eat it. If you choose to poison the rodents, be sure that all of the parents keep their kids inside forever. > > TNR really is the only humane way to solve the problem. That and education. Many people really don’t understand the importance of neutering or spaying their pets. The feral cat problem is a human caused problem and should be dealt with in a humane fashion. This. Totally this. Completely this. Utterly this. One hundred percent this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/veterinarian-brags-about-killing-a-cat/718224.md?page=6)