# Vice Presidential Debate Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 7, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999 "2012-10-07T16:46:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/321 "2012-10-12T03:09:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. So…you think Biden did win? So liberals aren’t wrong to think that? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/322 "2012-10-12T03:09:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. So, Biden won. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/323 "2012-10-12T03:09:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. Heheh. It’s nice being on the other side on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/324 "2012-10-12T03:10:32Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Stolen and Facebooked. I’ll pass on all the “likes.” I stole it, too. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/325 "2012-10-12T03:10:50Z")
Soledad O’Brien: Send all the hostile tweets you want, our focus group–and I agree w them–think it was a draw. Each guy did what he had to do for his team [http://politicslive.cnn.com/Event/vice\_presidential\_debate](http://politicslive.cnn.com/Event/vice_presidential_debate) And oh, BTW: Verdict. A TIE says #Focusgroup. 32% for @JoeBiden . 32% for @RepPaulRyan. 35% no winner. #cnndebates ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/326 "2012-10-12T03:11:07Z")
Looks like 32 Joe, 32 Paul, 35 draw. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/327 "2012-10-12T03:11:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. I see no reason it should differ by more than a few points that the CBS flash poll (Biden 51%, Ryan 31%, Dunno 18%). ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/328 "2012-10-12T03:11:16Z")
All this will do is make people ask why isn’t Biden at the top of the ticket. Not a loss for the Dems, but not really a win, either. A win would be - would have been - the guy in charge showing up ready to rumble. There really isn’t anything that can compensate for that failure, or excuse it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/329 "2012-10-12T03:11:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. CBS flash poll: Biden 50%, Ryan 31%, draw 19%. ETA: ninja’d by **Steve MB**. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/330 "2012-10-12T03:11:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. MSNBC snap poll of undecided voters: Biden 50%, Ryan 31%, draw 19%. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/331 "2012-10-12T03:12:19Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Looks like 32 Joe, 32 Paul, 35 draw. That’s the focus group, not the scientific poll (they haven’t published that yet). ---
**Author:** ![Sateryn76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sateryn76](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sateryn76)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/332 "2012-10-12T03:13:24Z")
I give Biden the win - I disagree with most everything he believes, but he projected passion and leadership, which is what I believe is sorely lacking in American government. Obama and Ryan appear to make all of their moves based on the latest polling and it shows. However, Martha Radditz was quite clearly allowing Biden to interrupt to a ridiculous extent (an old debate tacit to take the force out of an opponent’s reply) and made a habit of cutting Ryan off on rebuttal, which she did not do with Biden. She also challenged Ryan on his answers, without challenging Biden really at all. I won’t go so far as to say she was biased, but it was unbalanced moderation, and it will give the Ryan supports a leg to stand on. Is anyone who bitched about Romney interrupting going to go on record condemning the same in Biden tonight? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/333 "2012-10-12T03:13:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. Hate to break it to you Mr. Blinded by Ideology, but early numbers are; CBS: 50% Biden, 31% Ryan, 19% draw CNN: 64% Biden, 36% Ryan StarTribune (local) 56/36/8 ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/334 "2012-10-12T03:13:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Biden won’t get 47%. he’ll be lucky to get 40% saying he won. > > My early prediction: Biden 38%, Ryan 32%, draw 30%. CBS says 50-31-19. So, you know, at least you were close on Ryan’s percentage. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/335 "2012-10-12T03:14:03Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > MSNBC snap poll of undecided voters: Biden 50%, Ryan 31%, draw 19%. Fox Snap Poll: Ryan 137% Biden -Eight Million Billion percent ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/336 "2012-10-12T03:14:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That’s the focus group, not the scientific poll (they haven’t published that yet). Sorry, that’s what I was reporting. Wasn’t that the CNN flash poll we were talking about? Or is that something different? ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/337 "2012-10-12T03:15:53Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Oh yuck. Who gives a shit what two men think about a woman’s reproductive system based on their religious beliefs? The Catholic church is run by sexist, celibate old men who see woman only as vessels and nothing else. The last thing I want to is a country run by an overseas organization that shields pedophiles and nazis and tells women we are worth less than a fucking fertilized embryo. > > Fuck the religious liberty argument. Your freedom of religion is not absolute. If the Catholic church does not like the rules of this country’s health care system the fucking Catholic church should get out of our health care system. American women would be far better off if they did. > > Shove it, Ryan. You’re a Taliban wannabe on this issue. Better phrasing: The Catholic church is run by sexist, pedophilic old men . . . Ryan is a Teahadist. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/338 "2012-10-12T03:16:16Z")
Well, if the blogs I looked at are any indication, the Vice President did do one very important thing tonight: lifted the spirits of the President’s base and got them enthusiastic again. Possibly a second, if the contrasting successes/failures of the two debates instructs the President’s next two. There were some quotes floating about that indicated that there were changes in the prep afoot even before this, but we’ll see what happens there. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/339 "2012-10-12T03:17:05Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > MSNBC snap poll of undecided voters: Biden 50%, Ryan 31%, draw 19%. Actually, they were just quoting the CBS snap poll. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/340 "2012-10-12T03:17:06Z")
CNN poll says… 48 Ryan, 44 Biden. WTF? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999.md?page=18)