# Vice Presidential Debate Thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [October 7, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999 "2012-10-07T16:46:00Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/141 "2012-10-12T01:45:18Z")

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I am now convinced that the GOP is an example of massive projection.

Ooh, taxes now!

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**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/142 "2012-10-12T01:45:51Z")

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I want to thank you all for the blow by blow. I don’t like watching these things myself and I have a dozen little things I’m taking care of at the moment, so this is awesome.

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**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/143 "2012-10-12T01:46:23Z")

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> [@Chefguy](#):
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> Good moderator. She’s a keeper.

Much better than Jim Lehrer.

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**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/144 "2012-10-12T01:46:25Z")

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> [@Chimera](#):
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> I want to thank you all for the blow by blow. I don’t like watching these things myself and I have a dozen little things I’m taking care of at the moment, so this is awesome.

I agree.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/145 "2012-10-12T01:47:14Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> Hmm, could have sworn AARP recently disavowed Obamacare, Joe.

[Thirty seconds of Google](http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20121011/OPINION/121010007/Letter-AARP-refutes-claim-political-bias) produces the Florida state director of AARP writing:

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> AARP supported the new health law because it offers important new benefits for AARP members. It closes the dreaded “doughnut hole” coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug program, provides preventive care like cancer screenings at no cost to beneficiaries and stops insurers from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions to our members too young for Medicare.

Back to you, Art. [edit: they said they don’t endorse candidates, but I think it’s unambiguous that they supported this legislation]

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**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/146 "2012-10-12T01:47:19Z")

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> [@LavenderBlue](#):
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> Much better than Jim Lehrer.

A muppet would have been better.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/147 "2012-10-12T01:47:43Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> Hmm, could have sworn AARP recently disavowed Obamacare, Joe.

I’m pretty sure you’re wrong here.

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/148 "2012-10-12T01:47:46Z")

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I can’t believe that Ryan seriously just accused Obama of “not having a record to run on.” Did he time travel to the debate from 2008?

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**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/149 "2012-10-12T01:47:51Z")

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> [@davidm](#):
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> Ryan asked for stimulus funds but it’s not stimulus when he wants it!

Ryan was for stimulus before he was against it.

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**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/150 "2012-10-12T01:47:55Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> Hmm, could have sworn AARP recently disavowed Obamacare, Joe.
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> I like the moderator. Lets Biden interrupt at will and at length, then when Ryan tries to rebut she buts in and changes the subject.
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> This Charlie Rose round table debate is a joke.

☹

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/151 "2012-10-12T01:48:40Z")

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Ryan: “increasing taxes won’t come close to paying off the deficit, so let’s cut 'em instead.”

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/152 "2012-10-12T01:49:14Z")

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On a personality note, Biden seems confident, sure of himself, and friendly with the audience. He keeps making direct eye contact with the camera. Ryan seems… squirrelly. Like he’s sitting for the SATs after not getting enough sleep and forgetting how to do trig.

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/153 "2012-10-12T01:49:26Z")

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Ryan is rebutting claims now that Biden hasn’t even made.

Plus, he claims Republicans want “broad bipartisan support”.

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**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/154 "2012-10-12T01:49:53Z")

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I love this moderator.  
Love her.

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/155 "2012-10-12T01:50:14Z")

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BOOM! Moderator, to Ryan: “Do you have the specifics on your plan, and why won’t you tell the voters?”

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**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/156 "2012-10-12T01:50:35Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> I’m pretty sure you’re wrong here.

Definitely wrong. AARP is for it. I’m a member, but was somewhat reluctant to join since they are so reflexively anti-decreases in benefits to seniors.

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**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/157 "2012-10-12T01:50:41Z")

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Geez, the MODERATOR is turning on Ryan.

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**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/158 "2012-10-12T01:50:50Z")

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What kind of double talk bullshit is Ryan spouting?

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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/159 "2012-10-12T01:51:15Z")

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Biden is shifting into 3rd gear. Go Joe, go!

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/vice-presidential-debate-thread/636999/160 "2012-10-12T01:51:16Z")

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Biden: “I was there when Reagan cut taxes. He gave _specifics._”

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