# Victory at Any Cost to the Country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 28, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753 "2014-08-28T14:50:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/41 "2014-09-05T22:01:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And then what? What else that Congress isn’t doing are they going to not do? They’ll send House bills number 55 through 96 to repeal Obamacare to the president’s desk, where they will promptly get vetoed. Its still meaningless but its one step closer to being meaningful than than it was before so that’s something I guess. Also probably halt all appointments, attempt to defund any program not geared towards big business or the military, and maybe shut down the government in the process. Basically, another couple of years of nothing getting done. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/42 "2014-09-06T04:01:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Thank you for posting this. It saves trouble. > > Regards, > Shodan Come on now, try responding to one of the harder comments. You don’t get to declare victory just because you can beat up the weakest of your opponents. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/43 "2014-09-06T06:08:26Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > They’ll send House bills number 55 through 96 to repeal Obamacare to the president’s desk, where they will promptly get vetoed. Its still meaningless but its one step closer to being meaningful than than it was before so that’s something I guess. Also probably halt all appointments, attempt to defund any program not geared towards big business or the military, and maybe shut down the government in the process. Basically, another couple of years of nothing getting done. And impeachment. I expect taking the Senate will embolden the Tea Party crowd in the House to go all out for impeachment. I would put their chances at getting the votes to send charges to the Senate for trial at 50/50. No way the Senate would convict but I don’t think that will stop them from doing what they can to cripple the government for the last two years of the Obama presidency. ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/44 "2014-09-06T21:20:09Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > They’ll send House bills number 55 through 96 to repeal Obamacare to the president’s desk, where they will promptly get vetoed. Unless they invoke the nuclear option, they might need more than 51 Senators to do this. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/45 "2014-09-10T14:41:40Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The OP appears to be laboring under the misapprehension that there could be anything worse for the country than having the Republican Party in charge. > [@Shodan](#): > > Thank you for posting this. It saves trouble. > > Regards, > Shodan > [@Mosier](#): > > Come on now, try responding to one of the harder comments. You don’t get to declare victory just because you can beat up the weakest of your opponents. 😕 Did I miss something? I don’t FEEL beat up. Hell, he didn’t even try to tell me that what I posted was wrong. Which is just as well, because it wasn’t. He DOES appear to be laboring under that misapprehension. And it IS a misapprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/46 "2014-09-10T14:54:31Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The OP appears to be laboring under the misapprehension that there could be anything worse for the country than having the Republican Party in charge. Since you think having the Nazi Party in charge would be less problematic - well, feel free to be alone in your opinion. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/47 "2014-09-10T15:00:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > McConnell said early in Obama’s first term, far removed from election seasons that the Republicans’ number one priority is to make Obama a one term president. Has there been \*any \*modern US President whose opponents didn’t try to make him a one-term president? The whole point of running Reagan against Carter, Mondale against Reagan, Clinton against GHWB, Dole against Clinton, and Kerry against GWB, was to make those presidents “one-term presidents.” Some of those attempts to thwart reelection succeeded; some did not. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/48 "2014-09-10T19:29:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Since you think having the Nazi Party in charge would be less problematic - well, feel free to be alone in your opinion. :rolleyes: You may not have noticed, but I did say “COULD BE.” It means that I’m talking about “any _plausible_ thing.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/49 "2014-09-10T20:25:38Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Has there been \*any \*modern US President whose opponents didn’t try to make him a one-term president? Kids, can you say “false equivalency”? I knew you couldn’t! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/50 "2014-09-14T02:02:10Z")
There is no difference between someone who pushes an old lady in front of a bus and someone who pushes her _from_ in front of a bus. After all, they both push old ladies around. And the difference between a cannibal and a vegetarian is simply a question of taste. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/51 "2014-09-15T05:42:07Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > 😕 > > Did I miss something? I don’t FEEL beat up. Hell, he didn’t even try to tell me that what I posted was wrong. > > Which is just as well, because it wasn’t. He DOES appear to be laboring under that misapprehension. > > And it IS a misapprehension. There are things worse than Republicans. On the scale of historical political evilness from 0 to 100, Republicans are almost indistinguishable from Democrats, when you consider things like the Mongol horde, fuedalism, fascism, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. etc. When you use such intense hyperbole, you’re just feeding the martyr complex held by people like Shodan. Plus, it’s just lazy. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/52 "2014-09-15T21:43:21Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > There are things worse than Republicans. On the scale of historical political evilness from 0 to 100, Republicans are almost indistinguishable from Democrats, when you consider things like the Mongol horde, fuedalism, fascism, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. etc. When you use such intense hyperbole, you’re just feeding the martyr complex held by people like Shodan. > > Plus, it’s just lazy. In **kaylasdad99** ’s defense, it’s fair to assume that we’re talking in the context of modern western democracies, so those examples aren’t really relevant. What I think is more relevant in context is this comment that Bill Maher made not long ago: ‘‘Over the last 30 odd years, Democrats have moved to the right and the right has moved into the mental hospital. So what we have is one perfectly good party for hedge fund managers, credit card companies, banks, defense contractors, big agriculture and the pharmaceutical lobby… That’s the Democrats. And they sit across the aisle from a small group of religious lunatics, flat-earthers and civil war re-enactors who mostly communicate by AM radio and call themselves the Republicans and who actually worry that Obama is a socialist. Socialist? He’s not even a liberal.’’ Anyway, as far as the OP goes, there is no parallel. Reid was talking about election strategy. McConnell was talking about obstructing the functioning of government in order to make Obama look bad and ineffective, regardless of the cost to the country. Hell, these are the lunatics who shut down government altogether! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753/53 "2014-09-22T08:04:42Z")
Also, I did clarify that I was talking about plausible outcomes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-at-any-cost-to-the-country/696753.md?page=2)