# Victory Doughnuts--love 'em or hate 'em **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 4, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563 "2003-09-04T18:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/1 "2003-09-04T18:00:49Z")
[NASCAR.com](http://NASCAR.com) has an [article](http://www.nascar.com/2003/news/headlines/wc/09/04/bc.car..nascar.doingdoug.ap/index.html) on the acceptance, or lack of acceptance, of victory donuts. Personally, I don’t mind them if they’re done properly (Jeff Gordon’s first attempt at a donut in 2001 was just pitiful). I agree with the contention that Kyle Busch’s donut was out of line, considering he finished second in that race. Other than that, they are pretty cool. I’m a Harvick fan, but I did laugh my ass off when he blew his tire doing one after the Brickyard 400. How do other race fan Dopers feel about them? NASCAR, IRL, CART, and F-1 opinions welcome. ---
**Author:** ![cher3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cher3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cher3)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/2 "2003-09-04T18:54:42Z")
Shows you what I know. I figured this was some kind of patriotic name for chocolate eclairs. Like “freedom fries.” ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/3 "2003-09-04T19:00:35Z")
Mmmmm . . . Victory Doughnuts . . . ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/4 "2003-09-04T19:04:57Z")
Me too, **cher3**. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/5 "2003-09-04T19:13:53Z")
Hijacking my own thread, and please don’t think I’m being a smartass, but what would have been a better title, after reading the OP and it’s link? Just trying to learn… ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/6 "2003-09-04T19:20:42Z")
Maybe just **NASCAR “victory donuts” – love 'em or hate 'em?** i.e.–indicate the NASCAR connection and that these are quote-unquote “donuts”, rather than the edible kind. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/7 "2003-09-04T19:28:04Z")
Any mods happening by, can you hook me up with a title change? **toadspittle** ’s suggestion is good. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/8 "2003-09-04T19:32:16Z")
**Casey1505** , of course Kyle Busch’s donut was out of line. He’s a Busch! Brothers always act alike. I think the burnout, if done properly (i.e. Harvick-style) is better than the average donut. Except at tracks with infield grass like Daytona where you can really tear some stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/9 "2003-09-04T19:44:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cher3 \* > \*\*Shows you what I know. I figured this was some kind of patriotic name for chocolate eclairs. Like “freedom fries.” \*\* I confess: Me too. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/10 "2003-09-04T19:45:21Z")
I just didn’t buy his reasoning that “We’re teammates, we’re teenagers, and we finished 1-2.” It’s just bullshit. Everyone knows that second place is #1 loser, why celebrate? Take your car back to the garage, thank all your sponsors on TV, and thank god you have as much talent at your profession as you do at your age. Don’t coattail on someone else’s glory. Hell, you didn’t see Mike Skinner doing victory laps or burnouts back in '98 when his teammate finally won the Daytona 500. He got in line to shake Earnhardt’s hand, and went about his business. Getting back on topic, the first burnout I remember was Harvick’s at Atlanta in '01. Every week, the burnouts got better and better, like they were trying to outdo each other. Someone, I forget who, even did one facing the wall, not more than 2 feet away! If his tires caught grip, he was in the wall. Then there was Gordon’s unfortunate attempt that only left skidmarks… I love the burnouts, keep 'em coming! ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/11 "2003-09-05T02:50:08Z")
The doughnuts are getting old and should be retired, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Quack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e99b99/32.png) [@Quack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quack)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/12 "2003-09-05T03:13:01Z")
Anyone know who did the first NASCAR donut? My first recollection of one was Dale Earnhardt at the '98 Daytona 500 (still the best donuts I’ve seen) and I’d been watching Nascar for years before that. Nowadays, I think it’s a bit hackneyed for someone to bust out the donut after winning at Phoneix or Kansas or any other normal oval with no history or surprisingly unique challenges. If you’re going to do them, do them after big races: Daytona, Bristol, Talladega, Darlington. That kind of celebration just seems out of place at Chicagoland. ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/13 "2003-09-05T04:41:07Z")
The donut thing started with Alex Zanardi in CART, if I’m not mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![racinchikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@racinchikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racinchikki)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/14 "2003-09-05T05:10:14Z")
I like 'em. They’re fun to do and they make a big smoke, of which I enjoy the scent. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Raven\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Raven\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Raven_1)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/15 "2003-09-05T05:12:43Z")
Howyadoin, I wish I could see Zanardi doing donuts again ☹ -Rav ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/16 "2003-09-05T05:52:05Z")
I’m more of a victory maple bar kind of guy myself. ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/17 "2003-09-05T12:11:20Z")
Donuts are damn fun. I don’t mind when they do them, but always wondered if the car builder was wincing over the thought of all that stress on the drive shaft and rear. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/18 "2003-09-05T12:58:50Z")
**Manduck** is correct - Zanardi in CART was the originator of the donut. And I’m a little tired of them too. However, they’re not performed much anymore in CART races - partially due to the mostly road courses that CART runs (not sure there’s enough space). Fun for a while, blah now. Snicks ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/19 "2003-09-05T13:21:53Z")
> [@](#): > > “It’s OK to do a doughnut if it’s your first win, or you just won the championship or something,” said Tony Glover, one of McMurray’s team managers. “But don’t do one for your 25th win. Save it for something special and act like a professional the rest of the time.” I agree. It needlessly tears up race cars. I’m a big Harvick fan and I was dissapointed to see him tear up the fender a few races ago. The following made me laugh: > [@](#): > > Legend has it that when Dale Earnhardt Jr. did a doughnut to celebrate his win at Richmond several years ago, his father sent him a bill charging him for the damage to the No. 8 Chevrolet ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2003, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563/20 "2003-09-05T14:56:11Z")
Production of victory doughnuts has increased by 30% Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/victory-doughnuts-love-em-or-hate-em/199563.md?page=2)